FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby Sharp Guy » Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:18 pm

tomcatt1 wrote:
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...is there a suggested method for getting the Rex45 one to close more like the G10 one?
Loosen the pivot a touch. It usually doesn't take much. Maybe a 1/8 of a turn, 1/4 turn max. Just don't loosen it so much you end up with blade play
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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby tomcatt1 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:37 pm

I can take the pivot screws out and it still won't drop shut :)

If the Rex45 had screws instead of pins, I know what I'd do, I've tightened the pivot screws back up and loosened just a bit, just before blade play starts. Blew out with compressed air and oiled again. Hopefully it will loosen. The G10 is super smooth, the Rex45 takes a little flick to get started and then still sometimes doesn't seem to want to fully close without help. Seems like the ball may be keeping more pressure on the Rex one, and not on the G10, just how it seems to me .....
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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby TkoK83Spy » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:56 pm

Even with the pivot screws removed, it likely isnt dropping shut because of the pinned screws above it just behind the jimping on the blade (drawing a major brain fart as to what those are) are keeping it held tight. Over time, it will loosen up. I had a LW model once...but now have (5) G10 models, if that tells you anything on my own preferences for the Manix.

I've dismantled and scale swapped every Manix I have, I'm willing to bet it's those screws/pins that are the issue with getting it dialed in. In the G10 models, those screws sometimes effect the action more than the pivot screws if they are too tight, in my experience when putting it back together after a scale or blade/hardware swap. The LW model is just...eehhhhhh, no tinkering makes TKO a dull boy :p
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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby tomcatt1 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:18 pm

TkoK83Spy wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:56 pm
Even with the pivot screws removed, it likely isnt dropping shut because of the pinned screws above it just behind the jimping on the blade (drawing a major brain fart as to what those are) are keeping it held tight. Over time, it will loosen up. I had a LW model once...but now have (5) G10 models, if that tells you anything on my own preferences for the Manix.

I've dismantled and scale swapped every Manix I have, I'm willing to bet it's those screws/pins that are the issue with getting it dialed in. In the G10 models, those screws sometimes effect the action more than the pivot screws if they are too tight, in my experience when putting it back together after a scale or blade/hardware swap. The LW model is just...eehhhhhh, no tinkering makes TKO a dull boy :p
That makes a lot of sense. I do like the action on the G10 (seems like a pocket shredder though), but I like the weight reduction on the LW, and it's Rex45, which is supposed to be good, not that S30V isn't good as well :) . I just haven't used the Rex45 enough to tell. I did find a tiny chip close to the tip, which I sharpened out.

I've learned a lot about these knifes in the past few months, since the bug bit again, but know I have lots more to learn.
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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby JuPaul » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:49 pm

tomcatt1 wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:37 pm
I can take the pivot screws out and it still won't drop shut :)

If the Rex45 had screws instead of pins, I know what I'd do, I've tightened the pivot screws back up and loosened just a bit, just before blade play starts. Blew out with compressed air and oiled again. Hopefully it will loosen. The G10 is super smooth, the Rex45 takes a little flick to get started and then still sometimes doesn't seem to want to fully close without help. Seems like the ball may be keeping more pressure on the Rex one, and not on the G10, just how it seems to me .....
Yep, I had this issue with the s90v lightweight. And with the pinned construction you can't do much to change it. It's not ideal, imo. But I will say the action on mine improved a lot with use - I think everything loosens up and breaks in. But this is definitely one reason I prefer the g10 Manix.
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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby kobold » Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:07 am

What I think about pinned folders is that "If you can't fix it, you don't really own it".
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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby Brock O Lee » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:48 am

The find the lightweight FRN models to be very functional and durable. They make good work knives. For EDC though I agree with the OP, and I prefer Ti or CF or G10.
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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby Ez556 » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:24 am

I’m quite the opposite, it seems I can’t get out of them! :p I feel like I’m always looking at getting a nice blacked out G10 Manix or a G10 Native, but then as I ponder I realize the G10 won’t do anything the FRN can’t, and if I buy the FRN, I’ll have more money left over for more knives! In addition to being less expensive, they are lighter and usually more visually interesting with the FRN texture, so I’ve pretty much resigned myself to an eternity of FRN if it’s an option, it’s everything I need in my daily life.
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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby archangel » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:34 am

mad german wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:20 am
Hi guys,
I picked up a Para 3 lightweight the other day. After getting home and really looking at the knife and playing with it a bit, I had to return it. I just can’t get into the FRN models.

Is there anyone else who feels the same? I love all my Spydies (G10 and CF scales), and really wanted to like the lightweight Para 3, but it seemed like an “imposter” of the “real deal” Para 3.

Just curious if I’m the odd man out in this train of thought.

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Nono, don‘t worry, I‘m 100% with you. I take G10 or CF or best Titanium over FRN LW wherever possible. I don‘t get the hype for super slim and lightweight knives at all. I‘m a big guy, I can carry some extra weight in my pocket no problem.
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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby dj moonbat » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:03 am

I had a general bias against both FRN and lockbacks for a long while. Not a heavy bias, but in general I’d be more likely to dig slab construction—whether G10, CF, or titanium—and compression locks.

But the Rockjumper has supplanted the PM2 as my favorite Spydie over the past few days. So it’s important not to let one’s general proclivities harden into rules.

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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby Wartstein » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:29 pm

tomcatt1 wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:46 pm
I have 2 Manix 2's, one in G10, which I just got, and the other is a Rex45 LW, I've had it for a few weeks and have used it a bit. The thing I noticed is that the G10 falls shut when the lock is released, the Rex45 one, not so much even after a few weeks of use.

Is that inherent to the different knives, or is there a suggested method for getting the Rex45 one to close more like the G10 one?
No, it is certainly not "inherent"
I am not a Manix-expert by any means, but have/had three LW models so far and handled two (or three?) G10 variants.
Out of those both (all three?) G10 models did fall shut, but the smoothest and most drop-shutty is my Rex 45 Manix LW right out of the box, without adjusting anything and still no bladeplay at all.
My previous BD1 LW was almost as good, my current BD1N LW is the stiffest and does not fall shut (this does not bother me at all and so I never even tried to adjust it)

Though reading through the forum and watching reviews, there seem to be a lot of variation concerning "drop shuttyness" among the lightweights (but as far as I saw not so much among the G10 versions)

But again, a LW CAN be buttersmooth out of the box (like two out of three of mine), so a stiffer action can´t be a 100% consequence of the construction.
Here is a vid comparing the G10 and the LW, this guy actually prefers the LW partly because of the smoother action it has... (see at around 08:00) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFL6MHQw4xw
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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby Wartstein » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:34 pm

JuPaul wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:49 pm
tomcatt1 wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:37 pm
I can take the pivot screws out and it still won't drop shut :)

If the Rex45 had screws instead of pins, I know what I'd do, I've tightened the pivot screws back up and loosened just a bit, just before blade play starts. Blew out with compressed air and oiled again. Hopefully it will loosen. The G10 is super smooth, the Rex45 takes a little flick to get started and then still sometimes doesn't seem to want to fully close without help. Seems like the ball may be keeping more pressure on the Rex one, and not on the G10, just how it seems to me .....
Yep, I had this issue with the s90v lightweight. And with the pinned construction you can't do much to change it. It's not ideal, imo. But I will say the action on mine improved a lot with use - I think everything loosens up and breaks in. But this is definitely one reason I prefer the g10 Manix.
How is your REX 45 LW in that regard? As said in my post above (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87769&start=60#p1463418) mine was butter smooth right out of the box.

But actually, through yours and Ricks post here, I can see that pinned construction can be a real disadvantage indeed: So ordering a Manix LW seems to be a bit of a gamble if one really likes a knife to drop shut smoothly (since if it does not out of the box, there are less ways to adjust that than on a G10 Manix)
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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby JuPaul » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:24 am

Wartstein wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:34 pm
JuPaul wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:49 pm
tomcatt1 wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:37 pm
I can take the pivot screws out and it still won't drop shut :)

If the Rex45 had screws instead of pins, I know what I'd do, I've tightened the pivot screws back up and loosened just a bit, just before blade play starts. Blew out with compressed air and oiled again. Hopefully it will loosen. The G10 is super smooth, the Rex45 takes a little flick to get started and then still sometimes doesn't seem to want to fully close without help. Seems like the ball may be keeping more pressure on the Rex one, and not on the G10, just how it seems to me .....
Yep, I had this issue with the s90v lightweight. And with the pinned construction you can't do much to change it. It's not ideal, imo. But I will say the action on mine improved a lot with use - I think everything loosens up and breaks in. But this is definitely one reason I prefer the g10 Manix.
How is your REX 45 LW in that regard? As said in my post above (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87769&start=60#p1463418) mine was butter smooth right out of the box.

But actually, through yours and Ricks post here, I can see that pinned construction can be a real disadvantage indeed: So ordering a Manix LW seems to be a bit of a gamble if one really likes a knife to drop shut smoothly (since if it does not out of the box, there are less ways to adjust that than on a G10 Manix)
My rex45 is much better. While it was stiff out of the box, after breaking it in a bit I was able to adjust the pivot and dial in very smooth action with no blade play. It seems like the majority of the lightweights are fine, but when you do get one that's off from the factory it's not easy to fix. You just have to use it a bunch and hope that it improves.
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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby JD Spydo » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:39 am

mad german wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:20 am
Hi guys,
I picked up a Para 3 lightweight the other day. After getting home and really looking at the knife and playing with it a bit, I had to return it. I just can’t get into the FRN models.

Is there anyone else who feels the same? I love all my Spydies (G10 and CF scales), and really wanted to like the lightweight Para 3, but it seemed like an “imposter” of the “real deal” Para 3.

Just curious if I’m the odd man out in this train of thought.
I see what you're saying and I tend to agree with you whole heartedly ;) . Now I do own and use a few Spyderco FRN folders such as the Spyderhawk, TASMAN, Endura ect. And most of them are in my "beater/user" rotation. But if I had my way about it all of those would have either G-10, Micarta, Stainless and/or Titanium handles. I like the feel of a solid tool in my hand. I've never ever had a problem with any of Spyderco's folders being too heavy.

And when you put the Para3 up for an example all I can say is that model would never end up in my user rotation with only a very few exceptions>> I would take the G-10 GOLDEN made models anytime. The one big selling point I like with most of the GOLDEN, CO USA Earth models I like is the feel of a real, well made tool in my hand.

Now I don't hate FRN but if given an option I would take a G-10 handled unit any day of the week.

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Re: FRN/Lightweights: I just can’t get into them

Postby The Meat man » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:13 am

JD Spydo wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:39 am
mad german wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:20 am
Hi guys,
I picked up a Para 3 lightweight the other day. After getting home and really looking at the knife and playing with it a bit, I had to return it. I just can’t get into the FRN models.

Is there anyone else who feels the same? I love all my Spydies (G10 and CF scales), and really wanted to like the lightweight Para 3, but it seemed like an “imposter” of the “real deal” Para 3.

Just curious if I’m the odd man out in this train of thought.
I see what you're saying and I tend to agree with you whole heartedly ;) . Now I do own and use a few Spyderco FRN folders such as the Spyderhawk, TASMAN, Endura ect. And most of them are in my "beater/user" rotation. But if I had my way about it all of those would have either G-10, Micarta, Stainless and/or Titanium handles. I like the feel of a solid tool in my hand. I've never ever had a problem with any of Spyderco's folders being too heavy....
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