Very early dedicated Possible-Rock-Jumper-variants thread

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Very early dedicated Possible-Rock-Jumper-variants thread

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I don´t even have a Rock Jumper yet (not dropped in Europe so far), but I know already I´ll absolutely love this model (for me in SE). It is a design obviously many (me included) really have been waiting for.

Thought it could be a good thing to concentrate and collect all wishes (many already voiced elsewhere) concerning further variants of the RJ or models based on this design in a dedicated thread, before they get "buried" among posts in other threads.
So here are my proposals:

1.) Bright colored handle: Almost a must have in a climbing or mountain-rescue knife (which the RJ would be perfect for) - bright orange would be great.

2Linerless version: Nothing I would need, but I know some climbers and mountaineers are really concerned with weight

3.) (Killing two birds with one stone): Green handled, linerless Salt version (like the LC200N Pac Salt): Though not as good as orange, bright green is not bad either when it comes to visibility. I know, Sal has already mentioned that it is Erics plan to make Salt versions of most successfull models, but maybe it would be good to give the RockJumper some priority (again, especially concerning the bright color)

4.) XL version: Mentioned quite often already: A Rock Jumper XL would basically give us a backlock Caribbean... for me then probably the perfect general EDC knife. And while I prefer the wharnie blade in the current RJ, in an XL version a leaf shaped blade would be nice to have.

Any further ideas? Concerning steel, blade shape, color, other "edge all the way to the handle" lockback-knives based on the RJ?
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I'll buy a Rockjumper XL the day they're released if it happens. I like everything about the design besides the size.
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vivi wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:40 am
I'll buy a Rockjumper XL the day they're released if it happens. I like everything about the design besides the size.

Yes, this just has to happen.. :rolleyes:

I find the current RJ size to be absolutely perfect for it´s most intended use as an aggressive, smaller, utility cutting tool that is brought for climbing for example.

But the perfect pair for me would be (in fact all I ever needed): The wharnie SE Rockjumper as a clmbing / utility knife, plus a leaf shaped Rockjumper SE XL as a general EDC (for me around 3.5" of blade, and keep in mind: With the RJ design most of that blade would also be actual cutting edge...).
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- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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Wartstein wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:51 am
vivi wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:40 am
I'll buy a Rockjumper XL the day they're released if it happens. I like everything about the design besides the size.

Yes, this just has to happen.. :rolleyes:

I find the current RJ size to be absolutely perfect for it´s most intended use as an aggressive, smaller, utility cutting tool that is brought for climbing for example.

But the perfect pair for me would be (in fact all I ever needed): The wharnie SE Rockjumper as a clmbing / utility knife, plus a leaf shaped Rockjumper SE XL as a general EDC (for me around 3.5" of blade, and keep in mind: With the RJ design most of that blade would also be actual cutting edge...).
Couldn't agree more. The rockjumper serves its purpose very well from what I can see. But for a general purpose EDC I like a little more cutting edge.
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Since I'm not much into climbing any more, the basic RJ is probably not for me. But I like the new handle design, so;
- a leaf shaped RJ XL Salt FFG LC200N would definitely get my attention. And make it Yellow, just to change things up a little
- Since I'm more into mountain SAR than mountain climbing these days, a regular sized RJ Salt, with sheepsfoot/rescue style blade, FFG SE LC200N and Yellow or orange handle would also be hard not to consider.

My fixation on Salt's is probably exaggerated and not required for all the applications I use them in, but that combination of light weight, resilience against the elements and bright colors just wins me over, every time.
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Rockjumper XXL. 5" blade.
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ABX2011 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:12 am
Rockjumper XXL. 5" blade.

Totally yes. Actually there should be backlock knives in any size category using that minimal-Ricasso design.. (except maybe very small models where a choil in the blade is mandatory to achieve a four finger grip)
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Ugh, linerless is the bane of my existence in the knife world. Just, no.

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Personally, I would make a Delica/Endela/Endura 5 series, integrating the Handle Forward design cues.
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I'm a little baffled that this didn't come in as a linerless Salt model as the standard version. Maybe those kinds of molds are more expensive than linered knives? Having a rust proof almost zero maintenance knife is useful to more people than just those who play in the ocean.
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I'll buy a jimped and dented variant. :D
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Wartstein wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:34 am
1.) Bright colored handle: Almost a must have in a climbing or mountain-rescue knife (which the RJ would be perfect for) - bright orange would be great.
I would add Glow-in-the-dark as I see this as being just as useful for Caving (spelunking) as rock climbing! I don't go as often as I use to but I'd love to have one clipped to my pack.

Would probably want LC200N due to all the water, mud and grit that it will undoubtedly be mired in. :D
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steelcity16 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:14 am
I'll buy a jimped and dented variant. :D

Buy the current one and see if the lack of jimping and dent really bothers you in that particular model! :D

I am pretty sure I personally will not miss that features in the RJ... but can't weigh in yet, still has not dropped in Europe.. :(
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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legOFwhat? wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:45 am
Wartstein wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:34 am
1.) Bright colored handle: Almost a must have in a climbing or mountain-rescue knife (which the RJ would be perfect for) - bright orange would be great.
I would add Glow-in-the-dark as I see this as being just as useful for Caving (spelunking) as rock climbing! I don't go as often as I use to but I'd love to have one clipped to my pack.

Would probably want LC200N due to all the water, mud and grit that it will undoubtedly be mired in. :D

Cool idea!! :)

I do occasional caving too... we have lots of really huge ones here, including the largest ice cave in the world (at least the largest that has been discovered yet...)
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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Wartstein wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:42 am
legOFwhat? wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:45 am
Wartstein wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:34 am
1.) Bright colored handle: Almost a must have in a climbing or mountain-rescue knife (which the RJ would be perfect for) - bright orange would be great.
I would add Glow-in-the-dark as I see this as being just as useful for Caving (spelunking) as rock climbing! I don't go as often as I use to but I'd love to have one clipped to my pack.

Would probably want LC200N due to all the water, mud and grit that it will undoubtedly be mired in. :D

Cool idea!! :)

I do occasional caving too... we have lots of really huge ones here, including the largest ice cave in the world (at least the largest that has been discovered yet...)
"Eisriesenwelt" [world of ice giants] Maybe that could be your next Rex45 photo shoot gernot! hehe, those caves look amazing!
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Brightly colored linerless handles and an LC200N blade would get my vote, and my dollars.
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Wartstein wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:47 am
steelcity16 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:14 am
I'll buy a jimped and dented variant. :D

Buy the current one and see if the lack of jimping and dent really bothers you in that particular model! :D

I am pretty sure I personally will not miss that features in the RJ... but can't weigh in yet, still has not dropped in Europe.. :(

Still waiting in Canada as well
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Another variation that would make a lot of sense particularly for the Rock Jumper: Combo-edge.

While I would not want a comboedge in my main EDC (but rather full SE with that 3 to 5 mm or so PE towards the tip), I certainly can see its value in some roles that the Rock Jumper can fill perfectly:

- (Mountain-) rescue people often like comboedges
- My own current climbing knife is a Delica comboedge and it works pretty well in that capacity: Just enough SE for cutting the usually not too thick cordage used in climbing (10 mm / 0.4" and thinner), while the PE part is good for scraping jobs (like scraping off resin of dwarf mountain pines from the hands)

My ideal CE Rock Jumper would offer like 2/3 of SE and 1/3 of PE.
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- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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Wartstein wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:47 am
steelcity16 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:14 am
I'll buy a jimped and dented variant. :D

Buy the current one and see if the lack of jimping and dent really bothers you in that particular model! :D

I am pretty sure I personally will not miss that features in the RJ... but can't weigh in yet, still has not dropped in Europe.. :(

It will definitely bother me. I have had most of the popular Golden and Seki models at one time or another, and the lack of jimping and/or dent bothered me on all of them. The Lil Native, SpyOpera, Spyderhawk (no jimping), Worker (no jimping) to name a few.

I mean the Worker implies in its name that it is meant to work! :)
Jimping seems a must. Off topic a little but I'd love to see a new Worker 2 LW and/or Worker-fly with jimping and dents. H1 Salts would be awesome. It's such a shame that this iconic blade shape is nowhere in the lineup.
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steelcity16 wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:39 am
Wartstein wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:47 am
steelcity16 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:14 am

Buy the current one and see if the lack of jimping and dent really bothers you in that particular model! :D

I am pretty sure I personally will not miss that features in the RJ... but can't weigh in yet, still has not dropped in Europe.. :(

It will definitely bother me. I have had most of the popular Golden and Seki models at one time or another, and the lack of jimping and/or dent bothered me on all of them. The Lil Native, SpyOpera, Spyderhawk (no jimping), Worker (no jimping) to name a few.

I mean the Worker implies in its name that it is meant to work! :)
Jimping seems a must. Off topic a little but I'd love to see a new Worker 2 LW and/or Worker-fly with jimping and dents. H1 Salts would be awesome. It's such a shame that this iconic blade shape is nowhere in the lineup.

Ok, I see :) !

Not sure if I ever had a Spydie without any jimping, but since I rarely put my thumb on the ramp anyway (but rather to the side of the blade or further forward on the spine) and the RJ has no choil (that can be jimped or not on other models) I figure that the lack of jimping is not an issue for me personally.
Additionally, even if one uses the thumb ramp as such, the steepness of it and the handfilling wide handle should be good enough to keep the RJ securely in the hand?!
I´ll see as soon as I get my hands on a Rock Jumper myself! :)

As for the boye dent: I can recall only my Native 5 having none and of course my Chap does not have one either. I personally don´t miss it, but that´s just me.
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- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
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