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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby JuPaul » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:23 am

TkoK83Spy wrote:
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I'm going to commit a sin here and recommend something outside the Spyderco lineup, that I recently acquired...a Civivi Elementum. Small, lightweight, snappy action with the flipper, plenty of options on BHQ and also under $70 so it's not a big hit if he doesn't care for it much.

I haven't cut anything with mine yet, but I've carried it a few Saturdays and fidgeted with it a bit. I think it's a great deal for $63
I've actually thought about one if those for myself! And I do think he'd like it, since he's already used to flippers. I committed the same sin last night..."it hurts me to say it, babe, but I think what you want is a mini bugout." :eek:
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Dazen » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:29 am

Mini Grip with the sheepsfoot blade that has the spydie-hole. Axis Lock and Spydie-hole win win for him.
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby The Meat man » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:33 am

Does sound like a Mini Bugout fits the bill better than any current Spyderco. I think it's a good choice, and may lead to better things. ;)
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby ladybug93 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:41 am

did he not like you astute after modeling it for us? 🤣

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby olywa » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:44 am

Take a look at the Cat or even smaller Chicago. Not FRN but still fairly light. These little liner locks snap open with a flick and now come with BD1N steel (make sure you get new stock).

I have xl hands and some of the smaller Spydies are getting a little challenging to one-hand as I get older and my hands get a little stiffer. I find myself gravitating to flippers w/liner locks more and more these days (think Kershaw Skyline). I abhor assisted knives but understand their appeal to some.

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Notsurewhy » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:48 am

Evil D wrote:
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I'm sorry I'm afraid there's only one solution here. Gotta divorce this guy and start over.
Sad but true. You had a good run.

Thanks Evil D, for the coffee in my sinuses.

Edit to add, a UKPK is a great smallish knife and light weight if a slip joint would work.

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby TkoK83Spy » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:56 am

ladybug93 wrote:
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did he not like you astute after modeling it for us? 🤣
Hahaha, right!! That was pretty funny, thought that might have been his gateway opportunity!
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Wartstein » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:04 am

ladybug93 wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:41 am
did he not like you astute after modeling it for us? 🤣

He actually kindly did this after I asked for it ;)... so I owe him and say: Though it's a serious matter we're discussing here, a divorce would be too soon at this point.. ;)
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby vivi » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:59 am

JuPaul wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:51 am
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Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:17 am
What about the Alcyone? It's a 2.9" blade, with a linerlock. The Ambitious has a 2.2" blade, also with a linerlock.

I thought of the Ambitious too already... but I am afraid both this and the Alcyone are not light enough for him, since the Lil Native comp. lock is not either... sounds like what he'd want is something like a DFly or Chap FRN, but with liner, comp. or CBB- lock...

Maybe even a fictional comp. lock Native LW or comp.lock Delica, since both have a slightly smaller footprint than the Para 3 LW (which is "too large" for him) and are a tad lighter?

Again, tough one...
Yes. Something in that under 2-2.5 oz range seems to be the size he wants. Something for around the house in basketball shorts that won't flop around in his pocket. A chap, a dfly, or a lil native with frn AND a comp lock would be perfect.

The Lil'Native might do the trick even though it's not frn. Possibly the Rhino if he likes the trailing point blade.
Carrying IWB I can carry up to about a 5.5oz knife in basketball shorts before it feels cumbersome. Something to consider.
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby samdasnake » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:07 am

I’d love to see a Lil Native LW. I’m always in the market for new Spydies in FRN

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Doc Dan » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:11 am

How about an ARK?
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby ugaarguy » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:21 am

You can relay to him that I've learned from experience that the Spyderco wire clip is much friendlier on basketball shorts / gym shorts pockets than are spoon clips. He should try the Sage 5 LW, which is my personal gym shorts knife of choice. If he wants smaller, he should try the Dragonfly 2 LW and see if he can used to a mid back lock.

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Cambertree » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:42 am

Pattadese?

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby curlyhairedboy » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:55 am

maybe just ask him to try out the hawkbill Dfly 2 for a week. not a commitment, just an experiment. He may very well find the utility of the blade overcomes his initial resistance to the lock mechanism.

aside from that, i'd say the ikuchi is your next best bet, especially if he's used to the fine tip of Ken Onion's kershaw collabs.
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby yowzer » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:10 am

I see someone beat me to suggesting the Rhino. It's a great little knife. You might still be able to find Lil' Lums still in stock at a few places, too.

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby Wartstein » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:41 am

JuPaul wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:51 am
Wartstein wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:33 am
Albatross wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:17 am
Yes. Something in that under 2-2.5 oz range seems to be the size he wants. Something for around the house in basketball shorts that won't flop around in his pocket. A chap, a dfly, or a lil native with frn AND a comp lock would be perfect.

The Lil'Native might do the trick even though it's not frn. Possibly the Rhino if he likes the trailing point blade.

Well, what I am about to propose is really "knife-nerdish" ;) - but that´s ok on this forum, I guess:

In my experience: "Floppiness in the pocket (or NON-flopiness)" to a certain degree is a function of light weight AND large closed size: So, when two folders do have the exact same (light) weight, but one has a much larger footprint, the latter will "flop around less" in a pocket.

I know, the following comparison lags a lot (especially since folders are normally secured and attached with pocket clips), but just for illustration: If you put two balls each in one backpack, and both balls weigh let´s say 5 oz, but one is made out of a very heavy material (iron...) and has a diameter of just 0.5", the other of very light material (foam...) and has a diameter of lets say 10 ", the latter will be less "floppy" if you run with the backpack on your back

Honestly, in pockets of lightweight shorts the Manix 2 LW is one of the most "stable" and least "floppy" folders I know, cause it is so light for its big size... (and the Lil Native not so much)

Just my 2c of course ;)... And I know a Manix 2 LW is NOT exactly what he says he wants (though it features a CBBL, which you say he does like...)
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby PStone » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:05 am

You said he already tried to find one in your collection. What did he not like about the WolfSpyder?

Edit to add: If you can find one, the Lil’ Nilakka is another option too

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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby JuPaul » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:41 am

ladybug93 wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:41 am
did he not like you astute after modeling it for us? 🤣
😂He actually really did like it, but he said with the full liners it was too heavy for this particular purpose.
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby JuPaul » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:44 am

PStone wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:05 am
You said he already tried to find one in your collection. What did he not like about the WolfSpyder?

Edit to add: If you can find one, the Lil’ Nilakka is another option too
I actually didn't show him my Wolfspyder because I keep it at our cabin with a couple others. But I agree, that and the lil nilakka are great options.
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Re: I tried so hard...

Postby JuPaul » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:47 am

Wartstein wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:41 am
JuPaul wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:51 am
Wartstein wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:33 am
Albatross wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:17 am
Yes. Something in that under 2-2.5 oz range seems to be the size he wants. Something for around the house in basketball shorts that won't flop around in his pocket. A chap, a dfly, or a lil native with frn AND a comp lock would be perfect.

The Lil'Native might do the trick even though it's not frn. Possibly the Rhino if he likes the trailing point blade.

Well, what I am about to propose is really "knife-nerdish" ;) - but that´s ok on this forum, I guess:

In my experience: "Floppiness in the pocket (or NON-flopiness)" to a certain degree is a function of light weight AND large closed size: So, when two folders do have the exact same (light) weight, but one has a much larger footprint, the latter will "flop around less" in a pocket.

I know, the following comparison lags a lot (especially since folders are normally secured and attached with pocket clips), but just for illustration: If you put two balls each in one backpack, and both balls weigh let´s say 5 oz, but one is made out of a very heavy material (iron...) and has a diameter of just 0.5", the other of very light material (foam...) and has a diameter of lets say 10 ", the latter will be less "floppy" if you run with the backpack on your back

Honestly, in pockets of lightweight shorts the Manix 2 LW is one of the most "stable" and least "floppy" folders I know, cause it is so light for its big size... (and the Lil Native not so much)

Just my 2c of course ;)... And I know a Manix 2 LW is NOT exactly what he says he wants (though it features a CBBL, which you say he does like...)
I really wish I could just get him to join here and listen to you guys, because he won't listen to me on these points! ;) :D But hey, at least he's willing to upgrade his knife, and that's a start in the right direction.
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