Re: This is disappointing...
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:58 am
Hahah, you hit the nail on the head with that one. Perfect way to sum that up.
Hahah, you hit the nail on the head with that one. Perfect way to sum that up.
Probably not even Teflon, just some kind of cheap plastic.
I've quit watching a few reviewers because of them promoting Ganzo, or some other counterfeit knife. "this fake X knife is so good, I sold my real one!". I don't understand it! Sure the fake is $20, but I'd rather have a knife I can be proud of that won't fall apart and I can get serviced with a warranty!Albatross wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:29 amI don't buy fakes, clones, or any sort of imitation; it's one thing I will not compromise on. Seeing people buy fakes really bothers me, especially when the excuses come.
"I wanted to try a PM2, but didn't feel like spending X amount of money."
"It's a good way to see if I like the model, without spending a lot, in case I don't like it."
The worst of it are the YouTube reviewers, who promote fakes, and suggest there's little to no difference between a fake and an authentic, which is mind-blowing. Even if it's true, it's theft. They focus on value, not ethics. I feel like that's extremely irresponsible, and if someone was ripping off their videos to make money, I'm sure their opinions would change. I doubt they would tell you that stealing videos is a good way for someone to get into YouTube video-making.
On a less cynical note, some people just don't make the connection, and therefore don't understand why it might be an issue. Luckily, these people are usually at least somewhat receptive of advice about avoiding fakes. Maybe some day fakes will be regulated in every country.
Also, that blue one is so bad I laughed.
Lmao
I'm surprised that it's not against YouTube's TOS to promote fakes.soc_monki wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:00 pmI've quit watching a few reviewers because of them promoting Ganzo, or some other counterfeit knife. "this fake X knife is so good, I sold my real one!". I don't understand it! Sure the fake is $20, but I'd rather have a knife I can be proud of that won't fall apart and I can get serviced with a warranty!Albatross wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:29 amI don't buy fakes, clones, or any sort of imitation; it's one thing I will not compromise on. Seeing people buy fakes really bothers me, especially when the excuses come.
"I wanted to try a PM2, but didn't feel like spending X amount of money."
"It's a good way to see if I like the model, without spending a lot, in case I don't like it."
The worst of it are the YouTube reviewers, who promote fakes, and suggest there's little to no difference between a fake and an authentic, which is mind-blowing. Even if it's true, it's theft. They focus on value, not ethics. I feel like that's extremely irresponsible, and if someone was ripping off their videos to make money, I'm sure their opinions would change. I doubt they would tell you that stealing videos is a good way for someone to get into YouTube video-making.
On a less cynical note, some people just don't make the connection, and therefore don't understand why it might be an issue. Luckily, these people are usually at least somewhat receptive of advice about avoiding fakes. Maybe some day fakes will be regulated in every country.
Also, that blue one is so bad I laughed.
I've seen so many people complain about certain company's prices, including Spyderco, but I'm happy to pay because I want to support them, not thieves.
I thought about that too, orrrr people thinking those are actual Spyderco knives and thinking their junk. Then writing off Spyderco as a whole, though obviously if they looked at a reputable dealer website they'd see the huge difference in pricing.
There's exactly 0% chance that the fakes use S30V. They're already lying that the knife is a Spyderco. Why would they bother buying American steel, shipping it to China, pay more to heat treat it (assuming these blades are even heat treated) and grind it, etc.? There's no profit in that at $20.Rp5 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:10 pmI wouldn't pay $20 for a knockoff knife because there's a baseline reason to distrust the parts going into it. Says it's a Spyderco, it's not, says it's S30V steel... probably not. Seems like the easiest way to end up with two $10 halves of a knife.
Don't get me wrong, I have beater knives that I paid under 50 bucks for which I'll use accordingly. If it's AUS-8, or D2, or 1095, I realize those have different toughness levels. If it's a knockoff, no matter how good the action is, no matter how good the grip feels, I'm not going to trust the blade to do anything.
Making clones is an easy way to build up funds, once they've got good equipment and can afford good materials, they can then start marketing knives under another brand name and go legit. It's also a moonlighting gig for those already in the business. There's a couple "respected" Chinese brands now that started out under questionable circumstances.TomAiello wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:11 amWhat surprises me is that the factories making these don't just make their own knives. They obviously have the tools and skill to make at least halfway decent $20 gas station knives. And those would sell too (for similar prices) and build a brand.
I've bought some fairly decent China-made knives, running their own brand, with their own designs, with actual makers marks from the (Chinese) designers. That seems like a much better way to run a business.
I'd say that supporting the ethical Chinese manufacturers is at least as important as boycotting the forgeries--and boycotting the forgeries isn't hard because by and large they are very poor imitations.
In other words, why buy a fake PM2 when you could buy a real Tenacious?
So does the Brother model 1606 fall under the category of knock off, since it doesn't identify as a Spyderco P'Kal?anycal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:48 pmDevil's advocate, who is by no means a legal scholar, here.
Fake knife - sold as something it is not. A copy not made by the actual maker of the knife. Clearly illegal, no question.
Knock off knife - 'looks' like something else. If they are not braking any patent or trademark rules, is it illegal? Crossing into some gray area, obviously. Lazy in terms of development and design.
Both are bad, although one may or may not be illegal. Bad for the industry and their IP. Bad for the customer if you unknowingly buy a fake.
Personally, I have no interest in either. In an ideal world, neither would exist. All we can do is try to do the right thing, and educate others.