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A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby JMM » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:41 pm

With the bombshell dropped a few weeks back that Sal had given the green-light to start production of SE K390 blades for the Police4 LW model, I also went ahead and picked up another Police4 G10 just to house one of these SE K390 blades. (I have swapped the K390/VG10 blades between my G10 & LW models with absolutely perfects results)

Anyhow, to my question for the group:

Has anyone heard if there be a Police4 LW SE VG10 model produced? I remember it was being discussed in the SSS-XL thread but never really solidified one way or the other (that I recall)

With the very unexpected drop of KC's Pakkawood P4 model, which has given hope to a number of P4 G10 fanboys around here that the Police4 G10 might not be completely gone for good...? So might we see either a Police4 G10 SE K390, or a Police4 G10 SE/PE with a different steel? As always, thank you for your time everyone...

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John

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Re: A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby vivi » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:02 pm

I follow any news of this model closely.

Based on what I've read the following seems to be happening:

1. G10 Police 4 is done as a standard production model, with sprints remaining a possibility.

2. The K390 PE Police 4 lightweight was in the last reveal and will likely be out by 2021.

3. There has never been any mention on a SE VG10 Police 4 of any kind, lightweight or G10, but many of us hope to see it as a standard model some day.

4. I've read some posts from Sal stating they were testing serrated K390 but I must have missed the post saying they were greenlit for production. This is great news, it'll be interesting seeing the performance of such a fine steel in SE.
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Re: A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby JMM » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:11 pm

vivi wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:02 pm
I follow any news of this model closely.

Based on what I've read the following seems to be happening:

1. G10 Police 4 is done as a standard production model, with sprints remaining a possibility.

2. The K390 PE Police 4 lightweight was in the last reveal and will likely be out by 2021.

3. There has never been any mention on a SE VG10 Police 4 of any kind, lightweight or G10, but many of us hope to see it as a standard model some day.

4. I've read some posts from Sal stating they were testing serrated K390 but I must have missed the post saying they were greenlit for production. This is great news, it'll be interesting seeing the performance of such a fine steel in SE.
So here's Sal's bombshell on the Police4 LW - SE K390 blades getting the green-light
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17653&start=2520#p1447342

The P4LW SE VG10 was discussed in the SSS / SSS-XL thread, I'm looking for the exact link....

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Re: A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby JMM » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:13 pm

JMM wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:11 pm
vivi wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:02 pm
I follow any news of this model closely.

Based on what I've read the following seems to be happening:

1. G10 Police 4 is done as a standard production model, with sprints remaining a possibility.

2. The K390 PE Police 4 lightweight was in the last reveal and will likely be out by 2021.

3. There has never been any mention on a SE VG10 Police 4 of any kind, lightweight or G10, but many of us hope to see it as a standard model some day.

4. I've read some posts from Sal stating they were testing serrated K390 but I must have missed the post saying they were greenlit for production. This is great news, it'll be interesting seeing the performance of such a fine steel in SE.
So here's Sal's bombshell on the Police4 LW - SE K390 blades getting the green-light
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17653&start=2520#p1447342

The P4LW SE VG10 was discussed in the SSS / SSS-XL thread, I'm looking for the exact link....
I too follow news on this model as closely as I can, The Police4 G10 & Ulize are probably the two best ergos for my really wide paws that I've ever held, and I am super fond of the Police3 G10 PE/SE as well...

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Re: A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby Buddafucco » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:18 pm

Quoting Sal from bladeforums August 24, 2020, "In my opinion, the P4 is the most functional and to be honest, I designed the P4 primarily for high performance EDC despite its large size. I carry one quite a bit, and I just approved of a serrated K390 version."

I don't know if that counts as a production green light though.

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Re: A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby JMM » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:26 pm

Buddafucco wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:18 pm
Quoting Sal from bladeforums August 24, 2020, "In my opinion, the P4 is the most functional and to be honest, I designed the P4 primarily for high performance EDC despite its large size. I carry one quite a bit, and I just approved of a serrated K390 version."

I don't know if that counts as a production green light though.
Hmmm... to me "just approved of a serrated K390 version" would seem to indicate that but I guess I could be wrong. Well, worst case scenario I'll have an extra Police4 G10/K390, which I honestly don't mind in the slightest... still, fingers crossed on a SE K390 and/or SE VG10 model for a blade to swap in the future... :) :rolleyes: ;)

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Re: A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby vivi » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:56 pm

JMM wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:11 pm
vivi wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:02 pm
I follow any news of this model closely.

Based on what I've read the following seems to be happening:

1. G10 Police 4 is done as a standard production model, with sprints remaining a possibility.

2. The K390 PE Police 4 lightweight was in the last reveal and will likely be out by 2021.

3. There has never been any mention on a SE VG10 Police 4 of any kind, lightweight or G10, but many of us hope to see it as a standard model some day.

4. I've read some posts from Sal stating they were testing serrated K390 but I must have missed the post saying they were greenlit for production. This is great news, it'll be interesting seeing the performance of such a fine steel in SE.
So here's Sal's bombshell on the Police4 LW - SE K390 blades getting the green-light
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17653&start=2520#p1447342

The P4LW SE VG10 was discussed in the SSS / SSS-XL thread, I'm looking for the exact link....
Hah, you can tell where my head is at these days. I even replied to that thread.

Either way I've been enjoying the K390 G10 model a lot lately and I'm 100% on board for trying it in a serrated blade.
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Pacific Salt 2 SE | Siren | Police 4 LW | Police 4 K390 | C95 Manix foliage green | Manix XL M4 DLC | Street Beat LW | Aqua Salt

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Re: A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby VooDooChild » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:36 am

I also really want a serrated vg10 police 4 lightweight.
sal wrote:
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... "The edge is a ghost"...

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Re: A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby JonLeBlanc » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:00 pm

Just to add, I believe the plan is that the Police 4 G-10 is going to be phased out.
My collection so far: 52100 Military (2); 52100 PM2 (2); 52100 Para3; Stretch2 V-Toku; KnifeWorks M4 PM2; BentoBox M390 PM2; BentoBox S90V Military; Police4 K390; S110V PM2; SS Delica AUS-6; Wayne Goddard Sprint VG-10
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Re: A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby vivi » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:14 pm

VooDooChild wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:36 am
I also really want a serrated vg10 police 4 lightweight.
Same. I've been hoping to see that as a regular offering regardless of what happens with any SE K390 variant.
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Pacific Salt 2 SE | Siren | Police 4 LW | Police 4 K390 | C95 Manix foliage green | Manix XL M4 DLC | Street Beat LW | Aqua Salt

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Re: A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby koenigsegg » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:27 pm

I can't wait for the k390 p4 lw, I wish they would do another G10 run with the blue color
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Re: A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby sal » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:45 pm

Hi JMM,

We tested K390 with the G-10 Police 4. That was the result of 2 years of my researching and testing the steel and another year to give the maker time to learn processing of the steel. Making G-10 knives in Seki has proven to be above the threshold of what our customers can/will pay for the piece. We do it mostly to test the design in the market place. Even if we don't get good sales, we get feedback.

Knowing this, we bit the bullet and made tooling for the Police 4 in FRN so we could deliver the design with a better price tag. As Jon said, I do expect the G-10 version will eventually phase out and the P4 in FRN will be the standard version in VG-10 and K390. That was our plan from the git/go, though I must confess it was more my plan than the group plan.

It is hard to imagine, but all of this is much harder to actually get done than it might appear. There are a multitude of
adversities that must be overcome. Once we had all of ducks in a row, we learned that the production of K390 was still 6 months away, which sidelined the project for six months.

We're actually employing Global manufacturing with this one model; design, QC, distribution in Golden, Steel from Europe, construction in Japan. Kinda like a global version of a Rubix cube that's constantly changing.

Now we're learning that Bohler-Uddeholm had not planned to make as much K390 as we planned to build and not as quickly as were our needs.

"Tis a Puzzlement"

sal

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Re: A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby prndltech » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:37 pm

I guess we’ll just have to settle for a serrated vg10 p4 LW.... I’m actually more interested in that! :D
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Re: A couple Police4 G10 / LW Questions...

Postby vivi » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:39 pm

sal wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:45 pm
Hi JMM,

We tested K390 with the G-10 Police 4. That was the result of 2 years of my researching and testing the steel and another year to give the maker time to learn processing of the steel. Making G-10 knives in Seki has proven to be above the threshold of what our customers can/will pay for the piece. We do it mostly to test the design in the market place. Even if we don't get good sales, we get feedback.

Knowing this, we bit the bullet and made tooling for the Police 4 in FRN so we could deliver the design with a better price tag. As Jon said, I do expect the G-10 version will eventually phase out and the P4 in FRN will be the standard version in VG-10 and K390. That was our plan from the git/go, though I must confess it was more my plan than the group plan.

It is hard to imagine, but all of this is much harder to actually get done than it might appear. There are a multitude of
adversities that must be overcome. Once we had all of ducks in a row, we learned that the production of K390 was still 6 months away, which sidelined the project for six months.

We're actually employing Global manufacturing with this one model; design, QC, distribution in Golden, Steel from Europe, construction in Japan. Kinda like a global version of a Rubix cube that's constantly changing.

Now we're learning that Bohler-Uddeholm had not planned to make as much K390 as we planned to build and not as quickly as were our needs.

"Tis a Puzzlement"

sal
I cannot thank you enough for the transparency you demonstrate in relaying the behind the scenes info to us forum users. This place is special for many reasons, and this is up at the top of the list.

I look forward to buying a SE Police whenever they're available. The P4 is a home run design.
Carry rotation:

Pacific Salt 2 SE | Siren | Police 4 LW | Police 4 K390 | C95 Manix foliage green | Manix XL M4 DLC | Street Beat LW | Aqua Salt


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