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SpyOpera cqi when

Postby Abyss_Fish » Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:17 am

SpyOpera cqi fully disassemblable and on pb washers when
I require more lc200n and thinner grinds

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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby ABX2011 » Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:23 am

I'm guessing never.

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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby wrdwrght » Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:27 am

Abyss_Fish wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:17 am
SpyOpera cqi fully disassemblable and on pb washers when
Uh, it just came out. Get a grip.

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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby Sumdumguy » Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:54 am

Don't hold your breath.

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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby Pancake » Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:00 pm

I mean, is it really that necessary? I saw one video and the liners are not magnetic and presumably are made from titanium, blade is stainless, so there is very little to go wrong with corrosion.
Bearings....well, you can't have everything.
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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby AwayFromMySpydieHole » Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:35 pm

Pancake wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:00 pm
I mean, is it really that necessary? I saw one video and the liners are not magnetic and presumably are made from titanium, blade is stainless, so there is very little to go wrong with corrosion.
Bearings....well, you can't have everything.


The liners could be a non-ferrous stainless steel. Would be easy to test if you have one in hand.

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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby steelcity16 » Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:50 pm

The SpyOpera is a utilitarian folding knife designed by Italian custom knifemaker “Max” and originally produced by lionSTEEL®. Through an exclusive collaboration with lionSTEEL, the Spyderco SpyOpera takes this sleek design to the next level by adding a fully accessible Trademark Round Hole™ and a pocket clip.

Its full-flat-ground blade is crafted from M390 particle metallurgy stainless steel and supported by a sturdy back lock mechanism. The blade is housed in a handle made with skeletonized full titanium liners, beautifully contoured brown canvas Micarta® scales, and a stainless steel backspacer. The spines of the blade, lock bar, and backspacer are all meticulously crowned, and a deep-pocket wire clip provides rightside, tip-up carry.
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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby Sharp Guy » Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:34 pm

Abyss_Fish wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:17 am
SpyOpera cqi fully disassemblable and on pb washers when
Why do you think this is necessary?
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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby koenigsegg » Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:37 pm

After the PM2 goes to bearings
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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby Abyss_Fish » Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:46 pm

koenigsegg wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:37 pm
After the PM2 goes to bearings
Fair enough tbh
I require more lc200n and thinner grinds

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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby curlyhairedboy » Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:07 pm

Wait, this is pinned?
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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby Abyss_Fish » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:08 pm

curlyhairedboy wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:07 pm
Wait, this is pinned?
the scales come off. everything else is pinned.
I require more lc200n and thinner grinds

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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby curlyhairedboy » Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:03 am

Abyss_Fish wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:08 pm
curlyhairedboy wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:07 pm
Wait, this is pinned?
the scales come off. everything else is pinned.
Oh man, that was one of my issues with lionsteel's modern traditionals too. Good to know!
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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby AwayFromMySpydieHole » Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:23 am

Abyss_Fish wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:46 pm
koenigsegg wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:37 pm
After the PM2 goes to bearings
Fair enough tbh


Putting the para 2 on bearings would completely destroy the knife for me. It already has a super smooth drop shut action (on most of them, at least) so why would we need bearings?


When cutting things that are gritty, or in a dirty environment, bearings suck. I cut open only 2 bags of quikcrete with a ZT and it completely locked up. Bearings were so full of cement and aggregate that the blade just wouldn’t move.

PB washers don’t do that. The knife doesn’t eat itself when it gets a little dirty. Bearings are only fit for a light use knife IMO.

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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby Sumdumguy » Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:41 am

I can't say that I have an issue with bearings. I do prefer the simplicity of PB. But, My Mantra 1&2 are fine knives and they run on supposedly awful bearings.

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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby soc_monki » Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:53 am

curlyhairedboy wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:03 am
Abyss_Fish wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:08 pm
curlyhairedboy wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:07 pm
Wait, this is pinned?
the scales come off. everything else is pinned.
Oh man, that was one of my issues with lionsteel's modern traditionals too. Good to know!
this knife is made by Lionsteel so... :eek:

as for bearings vs washers. I didnt even use my 0470 one day at work, and a little dirt got in my pocket and ruined the action of the knife. I had to clean it twice to get it smooth again. Love my bearing knives but if I'm going to work in a dirty environment I'm sticking to washers. Anything else it doesn't matter. Love the action on my Amalgam! Really like the bearing cages are full, thick phosphor bronze.
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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby Notsurewhy » Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:39 am

So it's on bearings and pinned? Yikes. I'm not super interested in the design anyway, but if I was, I wouldn't be now.

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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby curlyhairedboy » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:37 am

I'm a fan of both washers and bearings when well done.
EDC Rotation: PITS, Shaman, CF S90v Shaman, Ikuchi, Amalgam, CruCarta Shaman, DLC Lil Native, Sage 5 LW, 4V Shaman, Watu, Rex 45 Shaman, Rex 45 Lil Native, Caribbean Sheepsfoot CQI, Waterway, Tanto PM2, CQI Kapara
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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby JacksonKnives » Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:41 am

Abyss_Fish wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:17 am
SpyOpera cqi fully disassemblable and on pb washers when
Just so we're clear, this is what I understand about Spyderco's process:

CQI is a manufacturing management philosophy/core value. Typically, it's reflected in a more specific project development/management system that also improves things like efficiency. Sal includes development of new models in his definition of the CQI process.

When we talk about this in the context of Spyderco CQI model changes, we're talking about is Spyderco's policy to make subtle changes to improve their own "evergreen" designs (Sal talks about this a lot here on the forum) for long-term success across thousands of units sold and multiple manufacturing runs. This requires more planning and negotiation than you may think when it comes to revisions that will be implemented by a partner manufacturer, and I'm sure even in-house it's a painful process.

The SpyOpera is a premium-materials version of an existing design with an established history, and they already upgraded the pivot system from washers to bearings based on that history. For all intents and purposes, it *is* the improved version 3.0 of the LionSteel Opera.

If there were a problem/easy improvement to be made, and sales numbers indicated enough demand for a second run, it's always possible you may see something changed, but a major revision like changing the pivot system is highly unlikely.

As far as making it fully disassemblable... If you've got a few tools, you can take anything apart. Replacing those pins with machine screws would take a drill and a tap. But since you can get the bearings out for cleaning already... why do you want to take the frame apart? Are you planning to modify the lockbar?

I have a few pinned Spydercos that I carry frequently, and I've never felt the need to clean anything I can't see when the knife is assembled, except occasionally to take the blade out for rust prevention on my Super Blue Caly. (Which rarely needs that step.)

If you're using it to stir paint, I guess you may want to do a deep-clean... but this is not that sort of knife.

Edit: clarity about the origin of the term.
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Re: SpyOpera cqi when

Postby Mushroom » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:06 pm

"CQI" is not exclusive to Spyderco.

It is a part of the design process that can be and is applied in many different industries.
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