Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Discuss Spyderco's products and history.
JD Spydo
Member
Posts: 19314
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:53 pm
Location: Blue Springs, Missouri

Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby JD Spydo » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:26 pm

Today I got my footlocker out that I keep some of my older Spyderco models from the GOLDEN ERA of SPYDERS 1998-2004. I was just really enjoying looking at my older Micarta and Titanium handled models as well as a couple of the older Carbon Fiber models as well. The awesome handle materials of that era seem to be heading toward the "Endangered Species" list :(

Has anyone else thought about the absence of these great exotic handle materials that were so prevalent on many of the GOLDEN ERA Spyderco models? Oh don't get me wrong because I dearly love the newer, higher quality G-10 handles that so many of the newer units have. And I have a few of the newer user models with stainless and FRN handles that I'm quite happy with. But there was something special about the exotic handles from that era.

Let's talk about this shift in handle materials?

User avatar
Mushroom
Member
Posts: 2726
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:45 pm
Location: Boston, Ma. U.S.A. Earth

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby Mushroom » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:39 pm

Golden era of Spyders? We're living in it! ;)

Titanium and carbon fiber scales don't seem to be going anywhere and micarta seems to be going through a well deserved resurgence lately.

Two knives with micarta scales, two knives with titanium scales, and two knives with carbon fiber scales in the last reveal alone. (Three carbon fiber if you include the Carbon Fiber/G10 Laminate.)
- Nick

:spyder:

JD Spydo
Member
Posts: 19314
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:53 pm
Location: Blue Springs, Missouri

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby JD Spydo » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:44 pm

Mushroom wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:39 pm
Golden era of Spyders? We're living in it! ;)

Titanium and carbon fiber scales don't seem to be going anywhere and micarta seems to be going through a well deserved resurgence lately.

Two knives with micarta scales, two knives with titanium scales, and two knives with carbon fiber scales in the last reveal alone. (Three carbon fiber if you include the Carbon Fiber/G10 Laminate.)
Fair enough> becauase I haven't bought any new models in the past 6 to 8 months because of being bombarded with medical bills :eek: so I am glad to hear that they are not on the Endangered Species list. But they sure aren't as prevalent as they were in the late 90s/early 2000s.

I've been waiting for a model to rival the Titanium ATR of the 2003/2004 era and I've yet to see one come forth.

I liked the Ti handle on that ATR so much. I kind of wish they would do some of the Salt Series with Ti handles.

User avatar
Mushroom
Member
Posts: 2726
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:45 pm
Location: Boston, Ma. U.S.A. Earth

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby Mushroom » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:53 pm

JD Spydo wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:44 pm
Mushroom wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:39 pm
Golden era of Spyders? We're living in it! ;)

Titanium and carbon fiber scales don't seem to be going anywhere and micarta seems to be going through a well deserved resurgence lately.

Two knives with micarta scales, two knives with titanium scales, and two knives with carbon fiber scales in the last reveal alone. (Three carbon fiber if you include the Carbon Fiber/G10 Laminate.)
Fair enough> becauase I haven't bought any new models in the past 6 to 8 months because of being bombarded with medical bills :eek: so I am glad to hear that they are not on the Endangered Species list. But they sure aren't as prevalent as they were in the late 90s/early 2000s.

I've been waiting for a model to rival the Titanium ATR of the 2003/2004 era and I've yet to see one come forth.

I liked the Ti handle on that ATR so much. I kind of wish they would do some of the Salt Series with Ti handles.
It's funny that you mention those two things together because I seem to recall mention of Spyderco having a prototype for a "Caribbean 2" - A Titanium Integral Compression lock Caribbean ;)
- Nick

:spyder:

JD Spydo
Member
Posts: 19314
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:53 pm
Location: Blue Springs, Missouri

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby JD Spydo » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:57 pm

Mushroom wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:53 pm
JD Spydo wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:44 pm
Mushroom wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:39 pm
Golden era of Spyders? We're living in it! ;)

Titanium and carbon fiber scales don't seem to be going anywhere and micarta seems to be going through a well deserved resurgence lately.

Two knives with micarta scales, two knives with titanium scales, and two knives with carbon fiber scales in the last reveal alone. (Three carbon fiber if you include the Carbon Fiber/G10 Laminate.)
Fair enough> becauase I haven't bought any new models in the past 6 to 8 months because of being bombarded with medical bills :eek: so I am glad to hear that they are not on the Endangered Species list. But they sure aren't as prevalent as they were in the late 90s/early 2000s.

I've been waiting for a model to rival the Titanium ATR of the 2003/2004 era and I've yet to see one come forth.

I liked the Ti handle on that ATR so much. I kind of wish they would do some of the Salt Series with Ti handles.
It's funny that you mention those two things together because I seem to recall mention of Spyderco having a prototype for a "Caribbean 2" - A Titanium Integral Compression lock Caribbean ;)
I'll check that out because I would love to have a Caribbean with that same titanium as they had on those ATR handles.

A lot of people don't like Micarta for fixed blades because they seem to complain about the weight factor. But when I carried my older STREETBEAT the extra weight didn't bother me at all. Actually I don't like the lightweight version of the STREETBEAT nearly as well as I did the original unit.

Also I would love a Harpy or Spyderhawk model in Titanium as well.

User avatar
steelcity16
Member
Posts: 4176
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:34 am

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby steelcity16 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:58 pm

I don't care for titanium, but as my signature says, CRU-CARTA THEM ALL! :D

I already grabbed an M390-carta Spyopera and will be getting a Z-wear-carta Shaman. I just bought a Cru-Carta Bark River Wilderness Explorer this week. Micarta is pretty much the only scale material I care for on fixed blades and I wish more folders were done in Micarta. I don't really own or care for traditional folders, but I've been lusting after a Micarta REC as well lately. Had I been aware of them when they were actually dropping I probably would have grabbed one for a desk knife. Not really into paying flipper prices for knives though.
:spyder: CRU-CARTA THEM ALL! :spyder:

User avatar
Abyss_Fish
Member
Posts: 304
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:23 pm

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby Abyss_Fish » Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:37 pm

I think someone mentioned in a thread a few days ago that Ti prices were going up. So there's that.
I require more lc200n and thinner grinds

Current collection: Watu, Spydiechef, Native G10 salt, Waterway, K390 Ladybug, Caribbean

vivi
Member
Posts: 7285
Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:15 am

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby vivi » Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:58 pm

I can't get enough micarta. Outside of Spyderco & machetes I don't buy fixed blades that don't have micarta handles. I would love to see it used more on Spyderco folders.

In my eyes roughly textured green linen micarta is the best handle material. FRN can be more practical for certain designs, but the rough textured micarta feels better.
Current carry rotation:

Pacific Salt 2 LC200N | Manix XL M4 DLC | Manix C95 foliage green | Aqua Salt

User avatar
steelcity16
Member
Posts: 4176
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:34 am

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby steelcity16 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:03 am

vivi wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:58 pm
I can't get enough micarta. Outside of Spyderco & machetes I don't buy fixed blades that don't have micarta handles. I would love to see it used more on Spyderco folders.

In my eyes roughly textured green linen micarta is the best handle material. FRN can be more practical for certain designs, but the rough textured micarta feels better.

My preference is rough textured matte green CANVAS micarta, but we are operating on the same wavelength here. My Wilderness Explorer is Green Canvas and I just pre-ordered a Camp Knife in Green Canvas. I am hoping Spyderco does some Green Canvas Micarta Shamans and other folders (Linered Native, Endura, Delica, Dfly, Police, to name a few) with some DLC in the mix. That would be a great combo!
:spyder: CRU-CARTA THEM ALL! :spyder:

vivi
Member
Posts: 7285
Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:15 am

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby vivi » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:49 am

steelcity16 wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:03 am
vivi wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:58 pm
I can't get enough micarta. Outside of Spyderco & machetes I don't buy fixed blades that don't have micarta handles. I would love to see it used more on Spyderco folders.

In my eyes roughly textured green linen micarta is the best handle material. FRN can be more practical for certain designs, but the rough textured micarta feels better.

My preference is rough textured matte green CANVAS micarta, but we are operating on the same wavelength here. My Wilderness Explorer is Green Canvas and I just pre-ordered a Camp Knife in Green Canvas. I am hoping Spyderco does some Green Canvas Micarta Shamans and other folders (Linered Native, Endura, Delica, Dfly, Police, to name a few) with some DLC in the mix. That would be a great combo!
Agreed 100%. Canvas Micarta is the best. Not sure why I mistyped linen micarta, I don't even own any.

Spyderco ran all their most popular models in foliage green G10 about a decade back. If they wanted to take all my money they'd do the same thing in micarta :D
Current carry rotation:

Pacific Salt 2 LC200N | Manix XL M4 DLC | Manix C95 foliage green | Aqua Salt

User avatar
Dazen
Member
Posts: 752
Joined: Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:38 am
Location: Texas U.S.A. Earth

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby Dazen » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:58 am

Mushroom wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:53 pm
JD Spydo wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:44 pm
Mushroom wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:39 pm
Golden era of Spyders? We're living in it! ;)

Titanium and carbon fiber scales don't seem to be going anywhere and micarta seems to be going through a well deserved resurgence lately.

Two knives with micarta scales, two knives with titanium scales, and two knives with carbon fiber scales in the last reveal alone. (Three carbon fiber if you include the Carbon Fiber/G10 Laminate.)
Fair enough> becauase I haven't bought any new models in the past 6 to 8 months because of being bombarded with medical bills :eek: so I am glad to hear that they are not on the Endangered Species list. But they sure aren't as prevalent as they were in the late 90s/early 2000s.

I've been waiting for a model to rival the Titanium ATR of the 2003/2004 era and I've yet to see one come forth.

I liked the Ti handle on that ATR so much. I kind of wish they would do some of the Salt Series with Ti handles.
It's funny that you mention those two things together because I seem to recall mention of Spyderco having a prototype for a "Caribbean 2" - A Titanium Integral Compression lock Caribbean ;)

I really though the Paysan was that model, with its one piece Ti handle. Ti Is great, but I typically only pay the premium if I already like and enjoy the model.

And I think everyone knows how I feel about Carbon Fiber, it adds so much depth without adding any color. I’m still waiting on a Peel-ply CF Salt.

I like micarta, but I’m not always a fan when it gets polished because it can starts to look cheap.

JD Spydo
Member
Posts: 19314
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:53 pm
Location: Blue Springs, Missouri

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby JD Spydo » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:42 am

Abyss_Fish wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:37 pm
I think someone mentioned in a thread a few days ago that Ti prices were going up. So there's that.
Yeah I've heard to talk that Titanium from USA sources is becoming almost cost prohibitive for making knife handles.

There is a really nice grip factor that I've only found in titanium.

User avatar
legOFwhat?
Member
Posts: 1467
Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:58 am
Location: Kentucky; Earth

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby legOFwhat? » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:19 am

Joe, I happen to love Micarta and have made a dozen or so sets of MT scales with Micarta alone (w/ G10 liners). Nearly all my folders are G10 and zero with Micarta! It's really weird but, G10 on any of my fixed blades are always pushed aside preferring linen or canvas Micarta, polished or not I love them more and the added weight adds to the enjoyment. 40 grit sandpaper on Micarta feels really nice in use and with sweaty hands and oddly polished up is just as grippy...IMO of course

It is quite a chore to cut shape and sand and the smell will drive away family members, but I enjoy the challenge. It's super durable too! It's the CruWear of handle materials lol.

Only Ti I own is on clips so I can't comment on that :p


Edit: I lied, I do have a Micarta handled PM2 in my pocket atm :confused: it's aftermarket scales so I haven't purchased a folder with Micarta....whew I'm getting too old for this crud ;)
-Larry
Hebrews 13:6 So we may boldly say: “The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?”

User avatar
archangel
Member
Posts: 1375
Joined: Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:02 pm
Location: Wuppertal, Germany, Earth

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby archangel » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:36 am

I don't care for Cru-Carta. I say TITANIUM them all!! :D

No offense, steelcity. ;)

As long as :spyder: uses Taichung, there will be titanium scales. There's never enough of the good stuff though... :)
Michael
The count is 37 / 34

User avatar
Cambertree
Member
Posts: 1326
Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:48 am
Location: Victoria, Australia

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby Cambertree » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:59 am

I love OD green canvas micarta too. It’s what I usually get my custom scales made in. They feel great with contoured edges.

I got contoured OD green linen micarta scales for a change on my HAP40 Stretch and that is a very nice handle material too.

One thing which makes micarta eminently suitable for knife handles IMHO, is the way it gets ‘grippier’ when wet, or handled with damp or bloody hands from field dressing game.

I haven’t had many Ti handled knives, maybe because it tends to go with righty frame lock folders. I don’t mind the ones I’ve tried, but generally I favour the warm feel of micarta or hard timbers like desert ironwood, cocobolo, ebony etc, to the cold feel of metal handles.

User avatar
DSH007
Member
Posts: 572
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:49 pm
Location: Merrimac, MA

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby DSH007 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:06 am

SpyOpera, Pochi, Swayback, Z-Wear Shaman.. and that's just in the last reveal!

Like with fashion, scale material trends seem to ebb and flow. Micarta scales are very much "in" right now.. seems they are everywhere these days. And if the manufacturers aren't using it, chances are you can find aftermarket micarta scales pretty easily. Ti, maybe not so much, but there are still models available if you want them.

Extinction though? I think not.
Rick H.

..well, that escalated quickly..

User avatar
The Deacon
Member
Posts: 25353
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:33 am
Location: Upstate SC, USA
Contact:

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby The Deacon » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:27 am

JD, I'll agree that Spyderco definitely offered a bunch of models with Micarta handle, both lined and unlined, during that period. All, or almost all, were made in Japan and apparently Spyderco ran into shrinkage issues with those knives that has made them reluctant to use Micarta. To me, that's a shame since Micarta can be used unlined because it offers little friction handles while G-10 requires liners because it's potentially abrasive.

OTOH, I think there were no more, and probably fewer, titanium models available any given year during that 7 span than any given year during the last seven. What were more common during that period but have totally disappears are aluminum handles, although I'm not sure anyone misses them.
Paul
My Personal Website ---- Beginners Guide to Spyderco Collecting ---- Spydiewiki
Deplorable :p
WTC # 1458 - 1504 - 1508 - Never Forget, Never Forgive!

User avatar
Albatross
Member
Posts: 836
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:13 pm

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby Albatross » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:54 am

The Deacon wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:27 am
JD, I'll agree that Spyderco definitely offered a bunch of models with Micarta handle, both lined and unlined, during that period. All, or almost all, were made in Japan and apparently Spyderco ran into shrinkage issues with those knives that has made them reluctant to use Micarta. To me, that's a shame since Micarta can be used unlined because it offers little friction handles while G-10 requires liners because it's potentially abrasive.

OTOH, I think there were no more, and probably fewer, titanium models available any given year during that 7 span than any given year during the last seven. What were more common during that period but have totally disappears are aluminum handles, although I'm not sure anyone misses them.
That's too bad, aluminum is a decent, lightweight, and fairly inexpensive handle material. It's cheaper than titanium and lighter than stainless steel. No, it's not perfect, or even one of my preferred handle materials, but it would fit the needs of a lot of people.

Just ask Kershaw.

I wouldn't be surprised if global economic woes in the future, causes a shift in how people percieve aluminum handles.

As for the original topic of this thread, I would love to see more titanium and micarta. I haven't said it in a while, but have asked for both materials to be used more. Both materials offer things that G10/stainless steel/FRN/FRCP don't offer. I'd love to see some new models made in Golden, with micarta inlays or titanium scales, or maybe even both together.
sal wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:01 pm

...But in general, I'm all about high performance, Ergos, safety. That's why I've been accused of "deigning in the dark"...

sal

User avatar
Mushroom
Member
Posts: 2726
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:45 pm
Location: Boston, Ma. U.S.A. Earth

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby Mushroom » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:49 am

Dazen wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:58 am
Mushroom wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:53 pm
JD Spydo wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:44 pm
Mushroom wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:39 pm
Golden era of Spyders? We're living in it! ;)

Titanium and carbon fiber scales don't seem to be going anywhere and micarta seems to be going through a well deserved resurgence lately.

Two knives with micarta scales, two knives with titanium scales, and two knives with carbon fiber scales in the last reveal alone. (Three carbon fiber if you include the Carbon Fiber/G10 Laminate.)
Fair enough> becauase I haven't bought any new models in the past 6 to 8 months because of being bombarded with medical bills :eek: so I am glad to hear that they are not on the Endangered Species list. But they sure aren't as prevalent as they were in the late 90s/early 2000s.

I've been waiting for a model to rival the Titanium ATR of the 2003/2004 era and I've yet to see one come forth.

I liked the Ti handle on that ATR so much. I kind of wish they would do some of the Salt Series with Ti handles.
It's funny that you mention those two things together because I seem to recall mention of Spyderco having a prototype for a "Caribbean 2" - A Titanium Integral Compression lock Caribbean ;)

I really though the Paysan was that model, with its one piece Ti handle. Ti Is great, but I typically only pay the premium if I already like and enjoy the model.

And I think everyone knows how I feel about Carbon Fiber, it adds so much depth without adding any color. I’m still waiting on a Peel-ply CF Salt.

I like micarta, but I’m not always a fan when it gets polished because it can starts to look cheap.
The Paysan is an integral frame lock though and I really thought there was distinct mention of a "Caribbean 2" using a titanium integral compression lock like the ATR had. Also, had holes in the handle similar to the ATR had too. :confused: I just tried searching and cant find it at the moment but I will try searching again later.
- Nick

:spyder:

TomAiello
Member
Posts: 4542
Joined: Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:34 pm
Location: Twin Falls, ID

Re: Have Titanium and Micarta Handles Become Extinct?

Postby TomAiello » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:03 am

There are lots of people doing Micarta aftermarket scales, if that helps bring them back from the endangered list for you.


Return to “Spyderco General Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Cl1ff, fixall, Google [Bot], Lumpy, Majestic-12 [Bot], Mushroom, skeeg11, Wright.88 and 34 guests