Odds of more choil-less designs

[Stoney87]

I have seen a lot of discussion about forward choils and initially I loved them. However after owning a few Spyderco knives I’ve ended up on the other end of the spectrum. I realize there are plenty of knives without them, but it seems like most of Spyderco a 3” and smaller knives are featuring a choil. For some knives it seems like a necessity like the dragonfly series, but I hold my native and think if the released a model similar to it, same blade shape, and general handle shape, but without the choir, so that you can get more edge. So am I missing anything in that range that’s not part of the tenacious family or a Delica? I’d love to see more offerings in this area, The team at Spyderco does a great job, and am no means telling them to abandon what they do better than most, just wondering if there was any thought of doing some more choils knives in the 3” and smaller size from somewhere that can use higher end material.

[VooDooChild]

It seems like we are already getting more non-choil designs.

I prefer not having a choil, so long as one hand closing remains doable. I also agree on the native as well as about any knife in that size range that has a choil.

[SG89]

Looks like non-choil knives are trending up. Looking forward to seeing more designs

[steelcity16]

I have seen a lot of discussion about forward choils and initially I loved them. However after owning a few Spyderco knives I’ve ended up on the other end of the spectrum. I realize there are plenty of knives without them, but it seems like most of Spyderco a 3” and smaller knives are featuring a chili. For some knives it seems like a necessity like the dragonfly series, but I hold my native and think if the released a model similar to it, same blade shape, and general handle shape, but without the choir, so that you can get more edge. So am I missing anything in that range that’s not part of the tenacious family or a Delica? I’d love to see more offerings in this area, The team at Spyderco does a great job, and am no means telling them to abandon what they do better than most, just wondering if there was any thought of doing some more choils knives in the 3” and smaller size from somewhere that can use higher end material.

Some small Victorinox knives feature chilis as well now.. :D

[Stoney87]

:) lol, I just saw that this morning! Like I’m saying, we need fewer chili’s, not more. Shame on you victorinox!

[steelcity16]

Would the Spyopera fit what you are looking for? It carries as small as the Native and Delica, but it does have a bit more working edge. It also has the higher end material that you want.

[Doc Dan]

I prefer choil-less knivesin the 2.95” and above bladed knives. The Native does not feel good in my hand and the choil catches on things. The Delica feels great and does not catch.

[Sharp Guy]

:) lol, I just saw that this morning! Like I’m saying, we need fewer chili’s, not more. Shame on you victorinox!

But I love chilis! Jalepenos too! :)

Back on topic. I originally thought the finger choil (or whatever it's officially called) was the best thing ever. I still like all the models I have with them but lately I've been appreciating designs without them. So yes, bring on more designs without the finger choil

[JRinFL]

Sal has explained why he has designed his knives with the features they have now, including choils and ricassos. If I remember, he said it was to improve safety while closing and flexibility in grip choices. I find all the features to be part of being a Spyderco knife, just like the open hole. Without all the iconic Spyderco features, what would they be? Just another pocket knife, IMO at least.

[Karl_H]

Sal has indicated that Spyderco will be watching Rock Jumper sales to determine whether or not they should release more choiless designs. I believe he also mentioned working on a choiless Shaman variant.

It is slightly over 3”, but I would say that the Ikuchi is a choiless design worth checking out.

[Stoney87]

I should really look at the spy-opera. It’s more than I have ever spent on a knife. My largest purchase is the native 5 I own. I don’t mean to rain on choils, on some designs and sizes they are great. Spyderco does them well to, they have that little notch that protrudes down to keep your finger from contacting the edge, like happens on the Pilar. I focused on the 3” blade length due to living in Illinois, which is the limit as I understand it, if you are on public land etc..

[steelcity16]

I should really look at the spy-opera. It’s more than I have ever spent on a knife. My largest purchase is the native 5 I own. I don’t mean to rain on choils, on some designs and sizes they are great. Spyderco does them well to, they have that little notch that protrudes down to keep your finger from contacting the edge, like happens on the Pilar. I focused on the 3” blade length due to living in Illinois, which is the limit as I understand it, if you are on public land etc..

Yep, for what you are looking for in a roughly 3" blade length without a choil and with high end materials, I really don't think you can find better (or anything even remotely comparable) to the Spyopera. It is phenomenal. The fit and finish are outstanding. It is a Made in Italy work of art. Buy one. Run, don't walk. Good luck though, they seem to be selling out as soon as they hit the dealers. :eek:

[Sharp Guy]

...I focused on the 3” blade length due to living in Illinois, which is the limit as I understand it, if you are on public land etc..

I know you're trying to stay within the letter of the law for all situations. I lived in IL for the first 50 years of my life and, unless I was going into Chicago, I never worried about carrying a knife that had a blade longer than 3"

[steelcity16]

Have you seen the G10 Firefly? Maybe that one floats your boat?? Discontinued, but KnivesPlus and other dealers have some remaining stock.

[Evil D]

Have you seen the G10 Firefly? Maybe that one floats your boat?? Discontinued, but KnivesPlus and other dealers have some remaining stock.

I was really excited about that one until I saw how small it is. If that came in 3.75 inch or so blade I'd have bought one.

[pantagana23]

Rock Jumper goes in this direction, though a bit bigger than what you speak of, and Sal was writing of Leaf Jumper, as a leaf blade on the same handle.

In smaller sizes, you have the Byrd Starling with the same philosophy.

3" is the blade size where you need as much edge as possible, as it should be compact, but at the same time offer as much usable edge as possible.

[sal]

Hi Stoney,

Welcome to our forum.

sal

[RustyIron]

Would the Spyopera fit what you are looking for? It carries as small as the Native and Delica, but it does have a bit more working edge. It also has the higher end material that you want.

Thanks for posting the pics.

Nobody has yet mentioned the superior aesthetics of the 50/50 choil knives when they're closed. Their shape has an elegant flow. The choil-deficient knives have an interrupted, choppy look to them.

I'd like a choilless blade that looked good when closed. And it would have to be a CBBL, to keep my fingers out of the way as the blade drops closed.

[Stoney87]

Hi Stoney,

Welcome to our forum.

sal

Thank you, you being on the forum and interacting with consumers is a large part of why I buy you’re products. Not everyone is as big a part of their community. I think it shows where the company’s values lie.

[Stoney87]

Rock Jumper goes in this direction, though a bit bigger than what you speak of, and Sal was writing of Leaf Jumper, as a leaf blade on the same handle.

In smaller sizes, you have the Byrd Starling with the same philosophy.

3" is the blade size where you need as much edge as possible, as it should be compact, but at the same time offer as much usable edge as possible.

I’d be a fan of the rock jumper with a leaf shaped blade. I fully agree with your stand point on 3” blades and needing to maximize edge to blade ratio.