Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

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Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby Signalman1 » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:38 pm

Hey guys still looking for the perfect folding knife and so far my Spyderco's have been nice but each one of my knives has one little thing wrong with it...so I am still looking and these two are the latest ones. I have come to realize I want a knife handle at least 4.25" long and a blade under 3.5" and I also want a narrow blade with little to no thumb ramp. Maybe I am asking to much...but here is what I have so far:
L>R: Shaman, Kapara, Sage 5 and just got my Mantra 2
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So what do you guys suggest between these two or is there some thing else I should be looking at ?

Thanks for your advice on this. :)

Signalman1 :mad: :) :D

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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby TkoK83Spy » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:46 pm

Manix 2!
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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby p_atrick » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:57 pm

I visited the SFO a couple of years ago. The staff was kind enough to let me handle all sorts of knives. Once I held the Advocate, I just couldn't put it down. Very comfortable in handle, I liked the flipping action. I used to own a Southard. I prefer the Advocate, but not by much. Sorry I can't help you out all that much.

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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby Sumdumguy » Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:05 pm

I love the Advocate. I vote that one.

I want to get another and chop the flipper off. Then it would be perfect.

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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby VooDooChild » Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:20 pm

By your dimensions a pm2 would be perfect.

BUT, theres a big difference between handle length, and grip area.

Also stretch 2
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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby JuPaul » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:12 pm

I had an Advocate for a bit. It's a really beautiful knife, but wasn't for me, largely because I thought the cutout to access the lockbar was too small, and the lockbar itself was kinda painful to disengage. I've never owned a Southard, but wish I did. I love the single g10 scale. I've read that it's not the greatest flipper, though, but I think that largely depends on what you expect from a flipper.

Edit to add: the Southard is a bit over your 3.5" blade limit, though. Also, can I throw in another vote for a Manix 2?!
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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby skeeg11 » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:21 pm

Seems that the Mantra 2 most likely fills your criteria although the handle is a mite shy of 4.25" Take the edge down to 30 degrees inclusive and I think it will spend the most time in your pocket ready to tackle most applications.

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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby dan31 » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:39 pm

If you can’t decide, a stretch 2 FRN ZDP-189.

Between the two the Advocate.

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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby murphjd25 » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:01 pm

Advocate!
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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby embry386 » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:17 am

You can always grind a blade shorter. How about pick a knife based on the handle ergonomics and the other aspects you want, and then shorten the blade to your liking, if necessary?

Got no advice about the Southard-vs-Advocate question, just wanted to point out that knife mods are a thing that is possible, and making a blade shorter is probably one of the simpler mods.

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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby Larry_Mott » Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:22 am

Advocate, easily. Someone wrote "it depends on what you expect from a flipper"
Well, i expect it to deploy dependably, which my Southard don't..
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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby curlyhairedboy » Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:22 am

Advocate, if only because it has a lockbar insert...
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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby Sumdumguy » Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:52 am

Well, Signalman...

I think you made me convince myself to get another Advocate. This time, I'm going to take the flipper off.

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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby Surfingringo » Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:14 am

Advocate wins by a long shot for ergonomics...at least in my hand.

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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby Evil D » Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:43 am

I'm a big fan of the Southard, at one time it was in my top 3. I haven't owned an Advocate but it's not hard to see from pics that it'll slice better than the Southard. So, if you're looking for higher performance I'd say get the Advocate, if you like chunky tank knives go with the Southard.
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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby Signalman1 » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:02 am

Thanks everybody I was leaning toward the Advocate to start with. So many of these knives I am finding/looking at are older models and some are discontinued. I feel like I am late to the game as I check out all the different knives Spyderco made...some of them are real gems. Thanks for your advice on this. :D

Signalman1 :mad: :) :D

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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby Sharp Guy » Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:27 pm

Larry_Mott wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:22 am
Advocate, easily. Someone wrote "it depends on what you expect from a flipper"
Well, i expect it to deploy dependably, which my Southard don't..
Mine flips great. So they're not all like that. I can certainly understand your disappointment though
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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby emanuel » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:06 am

Oh man, I wouldn't wanna be you... such a hard choice! :D I would say get the Advocate, never owned or held one, but I remember people praising it as being the smoothest Spyderco flipper, while I've seen a few Southard threads with issues here and there.

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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby koenigsegg » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:10 am

Advocate out of these two. They should make a slightly smaller native chief with blade stock thickness of the Police
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Re: Help Me spend my money...Southard or Advocate

Postby ChapnDu » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:18 pm

So cool when spending money on different cool accessories. I prefer the Southard.


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