C-60 Ayoob Campaign: No I Won't Shut Up

[Matus]

the many points of spyderedge.

Haha, that was a good one

And to state the obvious - awesome photograph

[ladybug93]

the many points of spyderedge.

Haha, that was a good one

And to state the obvious - awesome photograph

thanks for the compliment and for taking my comment in the spirit in which it was given.

[Matus]

thanks for the compliment and for taking my comment in the spirit in which it was given.

Trying to be on my best behavior

Seriously, I need to get my hands on some SE Spydie. It’s time to find out what is the fuss all about.

[ladybug93]

thanks for the compliment and for taking my comment in the spirit in which it was given.

Trying to be on my best behavior

Seriously, I need to get my hands on some SE Spydie. It’s time to find out what is the fuss all about.

i humbly recommend the pacific salt in h1. i honestly believe everyone should have one. if it's too long to own where you live, then try a salt 2 instead. they are great knives.

[Matus]

I need to stop hijacking this thread, but is there a particular reason I should pick H1 over LC200N?

[ladybug93]

I need to stop hijacking this thread, but is there a particular reason I should pick H1 over LC200N?

i personally enjoy the hollow grind/spyderedge combo. it makes for a great beater knife that begs to be used. in my experience, i've found h1 to be stronger. i managed to slightly roll a couple of teeth on my caribbean, but couldn't do the same with my pac salt on the same materials. both are fine, but i prefer the thicker spine, hollow grind, and toughness of se h1.

[Matus]

Thanks. I am off to dig into it. Rest of the class please continue with the subject.

[JD Spydo]

Cruwear will still undoubtedly be a huge improvement over VG-10>> which up till now has been the only blade steel you could get the C-60 Ayoob in PE or SE either one. I'm kind of surprised that they didn't use SPY-27 because that was sort of what I was expecting.

With the caveat that everyone's needs/preferences are different, I would respectfully disagree that it's a 'huge' improvement. I live in the SE and greatly value edge retention and corrosion resistance. In the edge retention category, Cruwear is only an itty bitty bit better - Cruwear rates a 5, VG-10 a 4.5, out of 10. For corrosion resistance, Cruwear is 5.5, VG-10 a 7.5, out of 10. But I must acknowledge that Cru is twice as tough as VG-10 (8 vs 4, respectively, out of 10).

Cruwear is the definitely the new hotness and an overall good performer. But I'm wary of the low corrosion resistance in my humid corner of the country. I would have preferred a stainless steel, but I'm thrilled with the possibility of picking up a new SE version to pair with my PE VG-10 model.

Limited data avail on SPY27, but here's what Knife Steel Nerds says about it: "[CPM SPY27] looks somewhat similar to S35VN but with increased Nb and N, decreased C and V, and a 1.5% cobalt addition. The resulting steel is expected to have similar hardness and corrosion resistance to S30V and S35VN. The edge retention is likely a small step down from S35VN. The toughness is probably a bit better than S35VN. And sharpening is probably a bit easier to S35VN."

Let's keep in mind we still have zero confirmation that there will be any SE Cruwear coming....this may just be a plain edge sprint run and that's that.


But, I think toughness is also important with SE. What I'm most curious about is toughness but also the hardness of Cruwear vs something like H1 that is also regarded as being tough but also fairly soft.

David I'm about 98.9% sure I remember Sal saying that we would get the C-60 Sprint Run in PE & SE both. Unless I'm in need of Alzheimer's medication I'm almost totally certain that he assured us of that about 6 months ago. And I tend to remember stuff that important.

And you might be right about the Cruwear being only for the plain edged unit. Personally I would be A-OK if they used VG-10 for the SE version. It's one of my top 5 favorite blade steels for serrated blades. But we will soon see.

[Evil D]

Cruwear will still undoubtedly be a huge improvement over VG-10>> which up till now has been the only blade steel you could get the C-60 Ayoob in PE or SE either one. I'm kind of surprised that they didn't use SPY-27 because that was sort of what I was expecting.

With the caveat that everyone's needs/preferences are different, I would respectfully disagree that it's a 'huge' improvement. I live in the SE and greatly value edge retention and corrosion resistance. In the edge retention category, Cruwear is only an itty bitty bit better - Cruwear rates a 5, VG-10 a 4.5, out of 10. For corrosion resistance, Cruwear is 5.5, VG-10 a 7.5, out of 10. But I must acknowledge that Cru is twice as tough as VG-10 (8 vs 4, respectively, out of 10).

Cruwear is the definitely the new hotness and an overall good performer. But I'm wary of the low corrosion resistance in my humid corner of the country. I would have preferred a stainless steel, but I'm thrilled with the possibility of picking up a new SE version to pair with my PE VG-10 model.

Limited data avail on SPY27, but here's what Knife Steel Nerds says about it: "[CPM SPY27] looks somewhat similar to S35VN but with increased Nb and N, decreased C and V, and a 1.5% cobalt addition. The resulting steel is expected to have similar hardness and corrosion resistance to S30V and S35VN. The edge retention is likely a small step down from S35VN. The toughness is probably a bit better than S35VN. And sharpening is probably a bit easier to S35VN."

Let's keep in mind we still have zero confirmation that there will be any SE Cruwear coming....this may just be a plain edge sprint run and that's that.


But, I think toughness is also important with SE. What I'm most curious about is toughness but also the hardness of Cruwear vs something like H1 that is also regarded as being tough but also fairly soft.

David I'm about 98.9% sure I remember Sal saying that we would get the C-60 Sprint Run in PE & SE both. Unless I'm in need of Alzheimer's medication I'm almost totally certain that he assured us of that about 6 months ago. And I tend to remember stuff that important.

And you might be right about the Cruwear being only for the plain edged unit. Personally I would be A-OK if they used VG-10 for the SE version. It's one of my top 5 favorite blade steels for serrated blades. But we will soon see.

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if this is PE only and there's another steel handling SE entirely. I'm happy even if it's "just" VG10 but I'm excited to see what comes.

[ladybug93]

i'm worried that this is going to come out before i can justify buying another knife. i planted the seed of how this knife came and went before i was back into spyderco and how it's kind of a big deal to grab one when it's released. that justification is only going to work so many times though. anyway, hopefully i can grab an ayoob. it would be great to know if it'll only be released in this cruwear pe version, or if i can save myself the money and frenzy for a se version in whatever steel later. since all versions that will be released will surely sell out quickly, i don't see it hurting spyderco (or whoever releases this as an exclusive, if that's the case) to let us know exactly what to expect. please, sal...? :)

[confucius]

I need to stop hijacking this thread, but is there a particular reason I should pick H1 over LC200N?

No. If you have the choice, go with LC200N - better hardness and toughness with identical corrosion resistance. LC200N has a max hardness of about 60 Rc with edge retention and wear resistance similar to other low carbide steels like AEB-L and 14C28N (better than H1's 57 Rc). LC200N has excellent corrosion resistance and excellent toughness. H1 has excellent corrosion resistance and good toughness.

Proof is in the pudding—the Spydiechef sports one of the thinnest, sliceiest blades on the planet, something H1, usually saber ground to protect the soft edge, could never hope to achieve.

[confucius]

Personally I would be A-OK if they used VG-10 for the SE version.

+1

[5-by-5]

Personally I would be A-OK if they used VG-10 for the SE version.

+1

+2
VG10 is awesome serrated edge

[JD Spydo]

Personally I would be A-OK if they used VG-10 for the SE version.

+1

+2
VG10 is awesome serrated edge

Seriously though guys when you think about it>> the properties necessary for a blade steel to show premium performance in plain edge are totally different that what's needed for a folder with TEETH. Also it's been my experience that the properties of the blade steel that will make an ideal serrated edge are a different set of properties all together. ZDP-189 for instance proved to us that many of your premium blade steels which make super wicked plain edges don't always fare well in a serrated blade. Spyderco very quickly quit making serrated blades in ZDP-189 because it proved to be far too brittle for the rigors of a serrated edge.

VG-10 is one of the very few blade steels I've found to do well in both SE & PE. It's certainly not a supersteel in PE but it's far from being trash as well. And I've had great results with VG-10 serrated blades over the years.

VG-10 and XHP both have proven to me that both steels excel in both edge types. But those two steels are exceptional in that regard. But I am drooling over the thought of a C-60 Ayoob model in plain edge with a Cruwear blade. Yeah that would immediately become my newest EDC folder!!

[SpyderNut]

Personally I would be A-OK if they used VG-10 for the SE version.

+1

+2
VG10 is awesome serrated edge

Seriously though guys when you think about it>> the properties necessary for a blade steel to show premium performance in plain edge are totally different that what's needed for a folder with TEETH. Also it's been my experience that the properties of the blade steel that will make an ideal serrated edge are a different set of properties all together. ZDP-189 for instance proved to us that many of your premium blade steels which make super wicked plain edges don't always fare well in a serrated blade. Spyderco very quickly quit making serrated blades in ZDP-189 because it proved to be far too brittle for the rigors of a serrated edge.

VG-10 is one of the very few blade steels I've found to do well in both SE & PE. It's certainly not a supersteel in PE but it's far from being trash as well. And I've had great results with VG-10 serrated blades over the years.

VG-10 and XHP both have proven to me that both steels excel in both edge types. But those two steels are exceptional in that regard. But I am drooling over the thought of a C-60 Ayoob model in plain edge with a Cruwear blade. Yeah that would immediately become my newest EDC folder!!

Me too. Really, I like everything they did on the new version. Going with CruWear definitely kicked it up a notch too. I got to see my brother's original C-60 Ayoob at Christmas, which makes me even more excited to see this new version come to fruition.

[bearrowland]

Exactly!!

Besides being an outstanding people-poker (not my thing), I’m not seeing the allure or practicality of this knife.

For those who don’t use knives to inflict harm on assailants, what purpose does the Ayoob serve for you?

Thanks!

well, it looks great on instagram. i imagine it works for pretty much anything else you use a knife for as well.

It's going to look absolutely incredible in my sock drawer

[JD Spydo]

thanks for the compliment and for taking my comment in the spirit in which it was given.

Trying to be on my best behavior

Seriously, I need to get my hands on some SE Spydie. It’s time to find out what is the fuss all about.

i humbly recommend the pacific salt in h1. i honestly believe everyone should have one. if it's too long to own where you live, then try a salt 2 instead. they are great knives.

To recommend a first serrated Spyderco blade to someone my first pick would be the Jumpmaster>> although I will admit your pick of a Pacific Salt is a good one as well. As far as a folder goes it's hard to beat one of the RESCUE models in full SE.

But if they can hold out until the release of the C-60 it would be best just to go ahead and get the serrated C-60 Ayoob model. The C-60 Ayoob with TEETH is a beast of a cutter.

[JD Spydo]

Oh one other question I forgot to ask about>> Going back to 2003 in the first release of the Spyderhawk>> the serrated model had a black handle and the plain edged Spyderhawk had a blue handle. I'm kind of hoping that the serrated Ayoob will maybe have a different colored handle. Anyone with any inside information on this issue?

Also does anyone have any idea which dealers might have first dibs or a possible exclusive on the C-60 Ayoob Sprint Run? I'm also now wondering if anyone has any info on how many units they decided to make? Because I don't think 3000 units each variant will be enough. But I'm kind of guessing it will probably be around 1200 each.

[JD Spydo]

I've got a question to ask all of you here on the Forum. And please just be honest with your response because even if you vote "NO" I won't take it personal at all. Because I really do want to know the answer to this QUESTION: HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE C-60 Ayoob back in the main line up again? >> even if it's just for a year or so?

Because with all of the newer folks here on the FORUM and all the long timers who have never previously gotten a chance to own or use a C-60 Ayoob model I'm seeing a serious market open up for this one. I just know in my gut that this Sprint Run is going to sell like tickets to 1970s Led Zeppelin concert. I believe you might have a month ( at the most) to get one of the Sprint Run Ayoob models because I doubt if they'll be available for very long.

So again HOW MANY OF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE C-60 AYOOB MODEL BACK IN THE MAIN LINE UP AGAIN? depending of course on sales success for this Sprint Run.

[nerdlock]

Count me in JD. Main production Ayoob in Magnacut...

One can dream, right?