C-60 Ayoob Campaign: No I Won't Shut Up

[Matus]

Sure why not, but I don't think it makes that large of a difference if they make one batch of these and either call them 'Sprint' or keep selling them through out the year. I don't expect super high interest (well, the steel choice may add to that) such that a Sprint run should sell out quickly - also because I expect this knife to be relatively expensive (I would love to be proven wrong).

[Evil D]

I would be 100% MORE in favor of seeing a lower cost, standard production, lower end steel option (at least VG10) that is readily available and more affordable than seeing this come back only as a couple high priced, flipper bait sprints and exclusives and then dying off again, even if the standard production only lasted for 1 year. At least then everyone would get a reasonable chance to own and use them, I would buy several and use the crap out of them. My only real requirement with all of this is a SE variant, even though I will likely buy a couple PE versions too but SE is definitely a must.

[Matus]

I agree fully with the above statement.

[JD Spydo]

Count me in JD. Main production Ayoob in Magnacut...

One can dream, right?

Well I tend to agree with you and EVIL D both. Now David says he would be content with a VG-10 version>> that's good for me if you strictly want to use the VG-10 for serrated units because I do like VG-10 as far as being one of my favorite blade steels for serrated models.

But Nerdlock you've hit the nail on the head concerning the plain edged version. Because I would not want to go back in time and do the VG-10 version of the C-60 Ayoob all over again. No I would want the advantages of a newer/better blade steel for the plain edged versions of the C-60 Progressing with newer/better materials is one of the main benefits of Sprint Runs or fully re-introduced models. I could live with VG-10 on full SE models and it probably would save Spyderco some serious money. But I want the benefit a premium plain edged version with a supersteel blade.

[benben]

In honor of this 67 page thread, I carried my Ayoob today (and yesterday)! Just showed it to one of my body techs and watched him snarl his nose up at it Lol, his words..."that's one strange looking knife!"

I called him a stupid bodyman and told him to get out of my office!

Just pried out around 10 of those gigantic staples that GM uses in their bumper cover boxes, worked like a champ! Just what this knife was designed to do! I know what you're thinking....and I called my bodyman stupid!

[Evil D]

In honor of this 67 page thread, I carried my Ayoob today (and yesterday)! Just showed it to one of my body techs and watched him snarl his nose up at it Lol, his words..."that's one strange looking knife!"

I called him a stupid bodyman and told him to get out of my office!

Just pried out around 10 of those gigantic staples that GM uses in their bumper cover boxes, worked like a champ! Just what this knife was designed to do! I know what you're thinking....and I called my bodyman stupid!

Yep, this is what shot down the design from the start. Too many people (myself included) shop by looks over function. It's understandable but also unfortunate. Personally I thought the Ferrari Enzo was rather ugly in the front but I understand why it looks like it does and I see the beauty in the design.

[benben]

Count me in JD. Main production Ayoob in Magnacut...

One can dream, right?

Well I tend to agree with you and EVIL D both. Now David says he would be content with a VG-10 version>> that's good for me if you strictly want to use the VG-10 for serrated units because I do like VG-10 as far as being one of my favorite blade steels for serrated models.

But Nerdlock you've hit the nail on the head concerning the plain edged version. Because I would not want to go back in time and do the VG-10 version of the C-60 Ayoob all over again. No I would want the advantages of a newer/better blade steel for the plain edged versions of the C-60 Progressing with newer/better materials is one of the main benefits of Sprint Runs or fully re-introduced models. I could live with VG-10 on full SE models and it probably would save Spyderco some serious money. But I want the benefit a premium plain edged version with a supersteel blade.

I'd be perfectly happy with VG-10 in both edges! We all know how well it performs in SE but I also like it in PE. My older version is in my pocket right now and it's screaming sharp, touch ups are just so easy on my Sharpmaker, just a great utility steel that works!

[ladybug93]

it's funny because i like weird knives, but i'm still picky about it. i wouldn't buy a caribbean for the longest time because it was ugly and now i love it. i'm drawn to the ayoob because it's weird and ugly in a cool way. even my first pocket knife ever (almost 30 years ago) was a spyderco ladybug that i thought was super ugly and awesome compared to all the normal knives around it.

[Evil D]

I do think in order to make it successful in sales in today's climate, it needs to be a newer steel, especially with the price of G10 coming out of Japan. The track record with G10/VG10/S30V is really not great, lots of first year discontinued models in that combo.



I will say this much....lots of you are gonna need to put your money where your mouth is when these become available if you really want them to stick around in any format. They will no doubt be more expensive than you probably expect, they'll have the higher 2022 pricing and will have G10 cost and the cost of whatever "better than VG10" steel they use, and it's a collaboration (does Massad Ayoob get further royalties from this?). After all this work to make it happen, it would be a shame to watch it die from sticker shock.

[ladybug93]

After all this work to make it happen, it would be a shame to watch it die from sticker shock.

i agree. so let's keep it reasonable.

[Matus]

I just find that ‘need to look twice to notice it’ color choice for the G10 a little unfortunate. Even black would make it more interesting. Imagine the visual impact this knife would have in the colors of St.Nick’s 4V exclusives. I am not saying it should come in those exact colors, but the marketing would have it much easier.

[Mushroom]

After all this work to make it happen, it would be a shame to watch it die from sticker shock.

i agree. so let's keep it reasonable.

How do WE (customers) keep the price reasonable when WE have no influence on pricing?
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This is going to be an expensive knife, $200 plus at the lowest. If I’m being honest, I don’t expect this one to sell fast for a number of reasons. Price and design being the two main ones. (If there is a serrated edge version, expect even slower sales for that one) In my opinion, the length of this thread is partly artificial and misleading in regards to the actual popularity of this knife. (Which is to say, I think it’s unfair to base the expected sales on this thread alone.)

Also, if this sprint run and the, alleged, exclusive run are released too close to each other, it could completely saturate the market for this model, leading to even slower sales for both limited runs.

I’m not trying to dissuade anyone from this knife but I’ve seen this type of hype before, just for it to completely disappear when the product is actually released. Basically I’m agreeing with Evil D - be sure to put your money where your mouth is if you want more of this model in the future.

[ladybug93]

when i say "let's" it was more of a hopeful suggestion to spyderco to keep the cost down. however, there have been multiple mentions throughout this thread that most people are fine with something like vg10 if it helps keep costs down. if this knife is north of $200, i'm probably out. that's a hard limit i have for myself when it comes to pocket knives, even though i have at least one knife worth more than that. i can't justify spending that much on a knife, especially if it is something i'll have to worry about rusting or if it's so special that i won't want to use it. that would be a real shame. i don't buy knives to sit in my sock drawer, despite all the joking around here lately, and i don't want something that i won't want to use.

[Matus]

I would be very surprised of this would turn out to be a sub $200 knife.

[Evil D]

Anyway... here's today's combo








As for $200+, you can forget about finding an original for less too.

[benben]

when i say "let's" it was more of a hopeful suggestion to spyderco to keep the cost down. however, there have been multiple mentions throughout this thread that most people are fine with something like vg10 if it helps keep costs down. if this knife is north of $200, i'm probably out. that's a hard limit i have for myself when it comes to pocket knives, even though i have at least one knife worth more than that. i can't justify spending that much on a knife, especially if it is something i'll have to worry about rusting or if it's so special that i won't want to use it. that would be a real shame. i don't buy knives to sit in my sock drawer, despite all the joking around here lately, and i don't want something that i won't want to use.

Agreed, if by chance it's $200+ I'll probably just limit myself to one, but I will have at least one, and it'll most likely be serrated since my OG model is plain edge.

[benben]

Anyway... here's today's combo








As for $200+, you can forget about finding an original for less too.

Yeah I got really really lucky with mine!

[Matus]

Anyway... here's today's combo

Now you are just showing off

[nerdlock]

Count me in JD. Main production Ayoob in Magnacut...

One can dream, right?

Well I tend to agree with you and EVIL D both. Now David says he would be content with a VG-10 version>> that's good for me if you strictly want to use the VG-10 for serrated units because I do like VG-10 as far as being one of my favorite blade steels for serrated models.

But Nerdlock you've hit the nail on the head concerning the plain edged version. Because I would not want to go back in time and do the VG-10 version of the C-60 Ayoob all over again. No I would want the advantages of a newer/better blade steel for the plain edged versions of the C-60 Progressing with newer/better materials is one of the main benefits of Sprint Runs or fully re-introduced models. I could live with VG-10 on full SE models and it probably would save Spyderco some serious money. But I want the benefit a premium plain edged version with a supersteel blade.

If I can remember correctly, Larrin said that he created MagnaCut to be reasonably affordable compared to other steels. Hence why I suggested MC over other exotic steels like M390, etc. which definitely will drive up the sticker price for a proposed main production Ayoob.

Also, Deadboxhero has a prototype Magnacut PM2 on hand for his edge experiments. With that thought in mind, it may seem that MC could "theoretically" be in position to replace S45VN someday as a main production steel, which could lead to lower production costs for other MC blades in the future, including a proposed production Ayoob.

Again, these are all opinions and conjecture so take it with a grain of salt.

[JRinFL]

I think it is going to be a Japanese steel unless Spyderco is aiming this for a premium market position. Any other steels will drive the price up, as we all know by now due to shipping costs to Japan.