C-60 Ayoob Campaign: No I Won't Shut Up

[attila]

I understand that the knife can be used for knife-tasks. It’s just that the blade angle and the aesthetics aren’t attractive in the least to me.

That was me about 10 years ago when the last sprint run came out, and when you could still buy versions of the originals for dirt cheap. Then one day it just clicked for me...hard to explain really but it went from being quite honestly what I thought was one of the dumbest looking knives to being brilliant and absolutely beautiful. Of course by then, secondary prices were insane and I either couldn't let myself pay what people are asking or they just didn't come up for sale at all which is more likely the case these days.

But, I put quite a lot of value in form following function, and I think I just didn't understand it. Once I could wrap my head around it, the whole thing just looked different. Now I like it so much I have it as my phone's background lol.

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Thank you very much for your insights.

[Catamount123]

Was the original Ayoob hollow or saber grind?

[Evil D]

Was the original Ayoob hollow or saber grind?

Hollow grind, and it's kinda hard to tell what that Cruwear version is. It does look a bit flat but sometimes the light makes it hard to see.

[benben]

Was the original Ayoob hollow or saber grind?

Hollow grind.

[Evil D]

Another for anyone who isn't on Instagram.

[benben]

Another for anyone who isn't on Instagram.

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So it looks like it isn’t going to have Mas’ name on the blade?

[Evil D]

Another for anyone who isn't on Instagram.

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So it looks like it isn’t going to have Mas’ name on the blade?

I'm betting it's on the back. Years ago it seems like designers signatures or maker's marks took priority over the Spyderco bug logo, but they seem to put them on the back these days. At least I hope they put it on the back. I to like less engraving on my knives but I like the names on some of these.

[benben]

Another for anyone who isn't on Instagram.

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So it looks like it isn’t going to have Mas’ name on the blade?

I'm betting it's on the back. Years ago it seems like designers signatures or maker's marks took priority over the Spyderco bug logo, but they seem to put them on the back these days. At least I hope they put it on the back. I to like less engraving on my knives but I like the names on some of these.

I hope you’re right, I prefer clean blades but I’d really like to see his name on this Sprint.

[confucius]

I'm excited about the pending release, but I don't get the hype about Cruwear. It's the S35VN/Elmax of the High Alloy Tool Steel crowd with similar (or identical) edge retention. With Elmax, you get above average corrosion resistance but average toughness to pair with that middling hardness. With Cruwear, you get above average toughness and average corrosion resistance.

Regardless, the GPKnives info is really good news!

[JD Spydo]

Was the original Ayoob hollow or saber grind?

Hollow grind, and it's kinda hard to tell what that Cruwear version is. It does look a bit flat but sometimes the light makes it hard to see.

I would find it extremely difficult to believe that they would change the "grind" on the C-60 at this stage of the game. And this is one design that uses the "Hollow Grind" to the utmost advantages. And it works well in SE & PE both on the C-60 model..

If they do both the SE & PE versions both in Cruwear it's going to be fascinating to see how Cruwear does with TEETH.

[JD Spydo]

I'm excited about the pending release, but I don't get the hype about Cruwear. It's the S35VN/Elmax of the High Alloy Tool Steel crowd with similar (or identical) edge retention. With Elmax, you get above average corrosion resistance but average toughness to pair with that middling hardness. With Cruwear, you get above average toughness and average corrosion resistance.

Regardless, the GPKnives info is really good news!

There may indeed be some truth in your analysis but one thing is 1000% certain>>> Cruwear will still undoubtedly be a huge improvement over VG-10>> which up till now has been the only blade steel you could get the C-60 Ayoob in PE or SE either one. I'm kind of surprised that they didn't use SPY-27 because that was sort of what I was expecting. But Cruwear is a pleasant surprise for me and I'm anxious to start EDCing a Cruwear C-60 in both edge types ASAP.

I've been really enjoying using and EDCing my 2011, G-10 handled C-60 Sprint Run these past few months just so I can be prepared for this new Sprint Run. I think this is going to be an awesome improvement for the overall performance of this great GOLDEN ERA model. This entire project has been nothing short of "splendid"

[ladybug93]

the thing i don't like about this project is that i think the ayoob was probably just under-appreciated and ahead of it's time, so it went unnoticed. now, it's going to get a rerelease as a sprint and it's going to sell out super fast. there's no way of knowing with these sprints and exclusives if the knife would actually be worthy of a revival because the fomo sales skew the reality of the popularity. i'd love to see how this design fares as an actual production rerelease instead of a sprint or exclusive. there are a few other older models that would probably be popular if rereleased now as well, like the dodo.

[JD Spydo]

the thing i don't like about this project is that i think the ayoob was probably just under-appreciated and ahead of it's time, so it went unnoticed. now, it's going to get a rerelease as a sprint and it's going to sell out super fast. there's no way of knowing with these sprints and exclusives if the knife would actually be worthy of a revival because the fomo sales skew the reality of the popularity. i'd love to see how this design fares as an actual production rerelease instead of a sprint or exclusive. there are a few other older models that would probably be popular if rereleased now as well, like the dodo.

I see in one sense what you're saying. However the Sprint Run C-60 with a complete facelift i.e. new blade steel, new handle material ect you can almost conclude that it's a far different model than the previous two runs.

And your observation of the C-60 being "Ahead of It's Time" is valid and I've thought that about the C-60 for several years now. And with that said I do think it would be an ideal model to do with different blade steels either in following Sprint Runs or if it garnered enough popularity to be reintroduced back into the main line up. I think it would have the same potential similar to how they use the C-36 Military and Para2 with newer/better blade steels for that purpose.

I just think there is more good, positive news with this Sprint Run C-60 and I do believe that sales will be far beyond what they expected. And not just from a collector's aspect either. NO!! people will use this model and love using it>> that's my prediction.

[ladybug93]

yeah. i'm not trying to complain. i'm just saying it's kind of impossible to know if a model warrants rerelease based on sales of a sprint or exclusive and i wish there was a way to give it a real chance again.

[Evil D]

the thing i don't like about this project is that i think the ayoob was probably just under-appreciated and ahead of it's time, so it went unnoticed. now, it's going to get a rerelease as a sprint and it's going to sell out super fast. there's no way of knowing with these sprints and exclusives if the knife would actually be worthy of a revival because the fomo sales skew the reality of the popularity. i'd love to see how this design fares as an actual production rerelease instead of a sprint or exclusive. there are a few other older models that would probably be popular if rereleased now as well, like the dodo.

I don't remember reading for sure if all of this will be in the form of sprints/exclusives or if there will be a standard production version again? I think the uncertainty you refer to applies to any sprint of classic models, this is basically how sprints work. All of them have been discontinued, most likely because of poor sales so in that way all of them have had their chance and died off, and any sprint we see that sells out is selling out in part just because it is a sprint. This model certainly has a mountain of hype behind it but I think more of that has to do with JD's endearing battle to bring it back and Spyderco's willingness to listen. It may be the case that people get a 3rd chance to own one and they still don't want it, and like I've said all along if it comes to that point I promise you'll see me buying these up and hoarding them.

[Matus]

The more I think about it, the more I realize that I need to get a ‘testing’ Spyderco with SE to get an idea how it works before the Ayoob comes out. I always avoided SE edged knives as I did not see the point, but the Ayoob looks like it ‘needs’ SE.

… I do realize that I am most likely not making much sense …

[confucius]

Cruwear will still undoubtedly be a huge improvement over VG-10>> which up till now has been the only blade steel you could get the C-60 Ayoob in PE or SE either one. I'm kind of surprised that they didn't use SPY-27 because that was sort of what I was expecting.

With the caveat that everyone's needs/preferences are different, I would respectfully disagree that it's a 'huge' improvement. I live in the SE and greatly value edge retention and corrosion resistance. In the edge retention category, Cruwear is only an itty bitty bit better - Cruwear rates a 5, VG-10 a 4.5, out of 10. For corrosion resistance, Cruwear is 5.5, VG-10 a 7.5, out of 10. But I must acknowledge that Cru is twice as tough as VG-10 (8 vs 4, respectively, out of 10).

Cruwear is the definitely the new hotness and an overall good performer. But I'm wary of the low corrosion resistance in my humid corner of the country. I would have preferred a stainless steel, but I'm thrilled with the possibility of picking up a new SE version to pair with my PE VG-10 model.

Limited data avail on SPY27, but here's what Knife Steel Nerds says about it: "[CPM SPY27] looks somewhat similar to S35VN but with increased Nb and N, decreased C and V, and a 1.5% cobalt addition. The resulting steel is expected to have similar hardness and corrosion resistance to S30V and S35VN. The edge retention is likely a small step down from S35VN. The toughness is probably a bit better than S35VN. And sharpening is probably a bit easier to S35VN."

[Evil D]

Cruwear will still undoubtedly be a huge improvement over VG-10>> which up till now has been the only blade steel you could get the C-60 Ayoob in PE or SE either one. I'm kind of surprised that they didn't use SPY-27 because that was sort of what I was expecting.

With the caveat that everyone's needs/preferences are different, I would respectfully disagree that it's a 'huge' improvement. I live in the SE and greatly value edge retention and corrosion resistance. In the edge retention category, Cruwear is only an itty bitty bit better - Cruwear rates a 5, VG-10 a 4.5, out of 10. For corrosion resistance, Cruwear is 5.5, VG-10 a 7.5, out of 10. But I must acknowledge that Cru is twice as tough as VG-10 (8 vs 4, respectively, out of 10).

Cruwear is the definitely the new hotness and an overall good performer. But I'm wary of the low corrosion resistance in my humid corner of the country. I would have preferred a stainless steel, but I'm thrilled with the possibility of picking up a new SE version to pair with my PE VG-10 model.

Limited data avail on SPY27, but here's what Knife Steel Nerds says about it: "[CPM SPY27] looks somewhat similar to S35VN but with increased Nb and N, decreased C and V, and a 1.5% cobalt addition. The resulting steel is expected to have similar hardness and corrosion resistance to S30V and S35VN. The edge retention is likely a small step down from S35VN. The toughness is probably a bit better than S35VN. And sharpening is probably a bit easier to S35VN."

Let's keep in mind we still have zero confirmation that there will be any SE Cruwear coming....this may just be a plain edge sprint run and that's that.


But, I think toughness is also important with SE. What I'm most curious about is toughness but also the hardness of Cruwear vs something like H1 that is also regarded as being tough but also fairly soft. I wonder if this will translate into more durable edges that take less damage in the same uses and with the same edge angles as those other steels. With H1 for example, in some ways it is off the charts tough as a steel, but in edge damage I've seen identical damage as LC200N and VG10 with similar edge angles so I think the important detail here is hardness and how that translates to edge stability. If that means I have to work a bit harder to keep it from rusting then I'm willing to try, it just depends on how the edge responds.

[ladybug93]

The more I think about it, the more I realize that I need to get a ‘testing’ Spyderco with SE to get an idea how it works before the Ayoob comes out. I always avoided SE edged knives as I did not see the point, but the Ayoob looks like it ‘needs’ SE.

… I do realize that I am most likely not making much sense …

the many points of spyderedge.

[ZrowsN1s]

Hope the timing is right on this for me and I have the $$