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Re: Siren

Postby Holland » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:57 pm

awesome photos Lance!
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Re: Siren

Postby Surfingringo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:58 pm

skeeg11 wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:35 pm
Nice pics.

Nice fish.

Intimidating looking gills for PE.

Did you use the Siren to bleed it or something with teeth?

Gonna order an LC200N SE Pac Salt 2 but I still want a Siren with teeth.
Hey Skeeg, I’m right there with you on wanting a serrated Siren. I keep a coarse finish on mine which helps for gill cutting and the PE is more versatile when it’s time to remove fillets but I have to admit I miss my serrations on the water sometimes. :) :spyder:

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Re: Siren

Postby 40mm » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:23 pm

Interesting that you said this Gringo as I was wondering a few days back if you had moved on from serrations.
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skeeg11 wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:35 pm
Nice pics.

Nice fish.

Intimidating looking gills for PE.

Did you use the Siren to bleed it or something with teeth?

Gonna order an LC200N SE Pac Salt 2 but I still want a Siren with teeth.
Hey Skeeg, I’m right there with you on wanting a serrated Siren. I keep a coarse finish on mine which helps for gill cutting and the PE is more versatile when it’s time to remove fillets but I have to admit I miss my serrations on the water sometimes. :) :spyder:

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Re: Siren

Postby mb1 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:19 pm

Surfingringo wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:09 pm
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That’s a great shot man. Hey, just wanted to say I finally got a Siren in recently. I’m really digging it. The ergos are sweet as is the blade shape. Love the grip texture and it just feels like a featherweight for the size. Nice work!
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Re: Siren

Postby Surfingringo » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:10 am

40mm wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:23 pm
Interesting that you said this Gringo as I was wondering a few days back if you had moved on from serrations.
Surfingringo wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:58 pm
skeeg11 wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:35 pm
Nice pics.

Nice fish.

Intimidating looking gills for PE.

Did you use the Siren to bleed it or something with teeth?

Gonna order an LC200N SE Pac Salt 2 but I still want a Siren with teeth.
Hey Skeeg, I’m right there with you on wanting a serrated Siren. I keep a coarse finish on mine which helps for gill cutting and the PE is more versatile when it’s time to remove fillets but I have to admit I miss my serrations on the water sometimes. :) :spyder:
My thinking is, if I have just one knife I would choose a PE Siren. It can do everything that the Waterway does (including removing fillets) and I can have everything I need in one knife that I can fold up and stick in my waistband. If I am carrying two knives though (which I almost always am :rolleyes: haha) then it makes a lot of sense to carry a serrated folder along with my Waterway. The Siren was made with a certain philosophy of use and I definitely wouldn’t change that but it WOULD be nice to have a serrated version I could carry in certain settings. :spyder:

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Re: Siren

Postby skeeg11 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:33 am

I would dearly like a serrated Siren. Kinda like a matching set type of thing. When surf fishing I always carry one of each edge type. Sure, I could get by quite handily with a PE Siren and a serrated LC200N Pac Salt, but pairing with a serrated Siren would be a more elegant solution......especially if the spacer for the serrated version were a different color like lime green to distinguish between the two versions.

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Re: Siren

Postby JRinFL » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:17 am

I just received by Rockjumper and it has exactly the back spring strength that my Siren is missing. Much less lock release in an edge-in reverse hammer grip and firm hammer grip. If anyone else has both, can you check to see if your results are the same? Maybe my Siren just has a weak back spring?
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Re: Siren

Postby soulspy » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:19 am

JRinFL wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:17 am
I just received by Rockjumper and it has exactly the back spring strength that my Siren is missing. Much less lock release in an edge-in reverse hammer grip and firm hammer grip. If anyone else has both, can you check to see if your results are the same? Maybe my Siren just has a weak back spring?
I have both.

Yes, my Siren has the lock rattle on some grips. I don't like it. I think part of it has to do with the actual width of the lock bar. The fulcrum point of the lock bar is also quite far forward in the handle, basically ends up right under my middle finger in a reverse grip. The lock bar is wide enough that the meat of my hands can slightly depress it while I grip the handle firmly.

I do not feel any of that issue with my Rock Jumper. The lock recess is farther back in the handle so it's not directly under my first 2 fingers. I've never felt it rattle like the Siren does.

I feel like it has less to do with spring tension, although a stiffer spring would probably help, and more to do with the actual width of the lock bar and its position rather forward on the handle.

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Re: Siren

Postby JRinFL » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:54 am

soulspy wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:19 am
JRinFL wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:17 am
I just received by Rockjumper and it has exactly the back spring strength that my Siren is missing. Much less lock release in an edge-in reverse hammer grip and firm hammer grip. If anyone else has both, can you check to see if your results are the same? Maybe my Siren just has a weak back spring?
I have both.

Yes, my Siren has the lock rattle on some grips. I don't like it. I think part of it has to do with the actual width of the lock bar. The fulcrum point of the lock bar is also quite far forward in the handle, basically ends up right under my middle finger in a reverse grip. The lock bar is wide enough that the meat of my hands can slightly depress it while I grip the handle firmly.

I do not feel any of that issue with my Rock Jumper. The lock recess is farther back in the handle so it's not directly under my first 2 fingers. I've never felt it rattle like the Siren does.

I feel like it has less to do with spring tension, although a stiffer spring would probably help, and more to do with the actual width of the lock bar and its position rather forward on the handle.
Thank you, and I agree with your assessment.
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Re: Siren

Postby blueblur » Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:32 pm

I also would love a SE Siren. The lock strength doesn't bother me and I love the blue highlights so I vote to keep everything the same as it currently is, just give it some teeth.

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Re: Siren

Postby 5-by-5 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:06 am

The finger guard/choil or whatever it's called needs to be relieved a bit. My thumb drags across it everytime I open it. My thumb has even popped out of the Spydie hole resulting in a fail to lock.

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Re: Siren

Postby JRinFL » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:37 am

5-by-5 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:06 am
The finger guard/choil or whatever it's called needs to be relieved a bit. My thumb drags across it everytime I open it. My thumb has even popped out of the Spydie hole resulting in a fail to lock.
Can you show a picture of what you mean? I cannot get my thumb to drag unless I make an awkward attempt to do so. Of course, your hands are likely much larger than mine.
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Re: Siren

Postby 5-by-5 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:44 am

JRinFL wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:37 am
5-by-5 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:06 am
The finger guard/choil or whatever it's called needs to be relieved a bit. My thumb drags across it everytime I open it. My thumb has even popped out of the Spydie hole resulting in a fail to lock.
Can you show a picture of what you mean? I cannot get my thumb to drag unless I make an awkward attempt to do so. Of course, your hands are likely much larger than mine.
Maybe just me. Brat size thumbs?
I have the same issue with my Yojimbo2. Much worse with the Siren though. I'll work on pics when I get home. Carrying a Police model today.

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Re: Siren

Postby vivi » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:35 pm

5-by-5 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:44 am
JRinFL wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:37 am
5-by-5 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:06 am
The finger guard/choil or whatever it's called needs to be relieved a bit. My thumb drags across it everytime I open it. My thumb has even popped out of the Spydie hole resulting in a fail to lock.
Can you show a picture of what you mean? I cannot get my thumb to drag unless I make an awkward attempt to do so. Of course, your hands are likely much larger than mine.
Maybe just me. Brat size thumbs?
I have the same issue with my Yojimbo2. Much worse with the Siren though. I'll work on pics when I get home. Carrying a Police model today.
I've experienced the same thing a few times. Also with my index finger while swinging the blade shut.

It isn't bad enough I've wanted to reduce the guard, but its made me better understand why I like the Police, Pacific Salt and Military so much. I like designs with well exposed opening holes.

I've switched to deploying and closing my Siren by pressing the lock release in with the tip of my index finger and wrist flicking the blade. I've posted some videos in my Siren Observations thread I believe.

edit - heres the video https://streamable.com/qlzh73
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Re: Siren

Postby Surfingringo » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:08 pm

5-by-5 wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:06 am
The finger guard/choil or whatever it's called needs to be relieved a bit. My thumb drags across it everytime I open it. My thumb has even popped out of the Spydie hole resulting in a fail to lock.
Hey 5 by 5, good observation. The proximity of the guard in relation to the hole was something that I was acutely aware of during the design process. It gets tricky when you are trying to juggle the design characteristics on a folder as just about any aspect you change always affects a number of others. It would have been a simple enough matter to change the design so that the thumb could follow the arc without ever nearing the guard. I could have accomplished that by making the guard smaller, or by adding a thumb ramp or “hump” or even by changing the hole position.

Both the Waterway and the Siren are designed around a very prominent guard that is there to keep the hand safe in slippery conditions. That was not something I wanted to sacrifice for a slightly slicker opening. We did LOTS of massage work to find the best balance between a safe guard, proper hole position and “humpless” knife while still keeping the opening process smooth and functional. It’s always a balancing act and at the end of the day you have to prioritize things according to a certain philosophy of use.

In my use, I can (slightly) feel the guard when opening but it never impedes the smooth and efficient opening of the Siren. I get a clean opening and solid lockup 100% of the time, even when opening the knife in stressful situations on the water. Could be just a muscle memory thing from carrying and using it so long. :spyder:


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