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KOT: Strider

Postby Jimd » Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:00 am

After years of yearning for one, I'm finally ordering a knife from Strider. I've sold a few of my knives that were lying around (still have a BM Stryker for sale)to finance my ability to scratch this itch.



I'm ordering their fixed-blade tanto version with 3.7 inch blade (the WPT model). I absolutely cannot wait to get this knife!



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Postby Zrexxer » Sun Jun 29, 2003 8:59 am

I just can't seem to get that Strider itch... I don't see the attraction. It's a big honking steel blade... very utilitarian looking and pretty low level of grind and finish in keeping with its field tool reputation.

On the other hand, I'm intrigued by Busse's knives, mostly because I'd like to see what all the hub-bub is about his proprietary INFI steel.

I know you'll be excited, though, the anticipation is half the fun! (How long is Strider's backlog?) Let us know what you think of it when it arrives!

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Postby sam the man.. » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:04 am

Hi Jim! I first came across the Strider-Guy's table at the New York Custom Knife Show a couple of years ago.. Never gave much thought to their knives till recently when I aquired the MT-L from a friend in Bangkok.. Lovely grind and feel and I would like to push their knives to the limit due to their unconditional guarantee.. One thing is for sure.. Much of their stuff and utilitarian and tactical orientated.. My next aquisition will be an MT-10, AR and the SnG.. <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> Someday, I'll like to see an AR with a Spydie roundhole.. That'll be really C<img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0><img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>L!

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Postby midget » Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:12 pm

Strider knives are great, although sometimes it seems like they aren't the right tool for the right job (as a civilian standpoint).

Don't get me wrong, I really like their knives. A whole lot. But it seems like their current line is considerably and strictly geared towards military personnel. I can't imagine seeing anyone walk around the city (I currently reside in berkeley) with a BN or MT or any of their fixed designs, and get away with it. I don't like to scare people when I draw a knife (and scaring people goes synonymous with a strider fixed blade). The only current strider that I could get myself to carry in public is the SnG. Although I have carried my SA for several years now, all that time it was heavy, bulky, and very conspicuous. Rarely did I pull it with a stranger present.

Similar to when knife folk discuss knives and prybars, the old rule remains- the right tool for the right job.

Currently, I'm considering selling my SA as well as my cameras for an SLCC (if they ever become available...) It seems like that is a far more discrete tool, although its a freaking custom and **** hard to get a hold of.

Best of luck with your WP, jim.

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Postby Jimd » Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:54 pm

Dan: I just can't seem to get that Strider itch... I don't see the attraction. It's a big honking steel blade... very utilitarian looking and pretty low level of grind and finish in keeping with its field tool reputation.>>>

Dan, this is precisely my attraction to them! They're extreme to the max.

I read an article in which they test some of the blades by bashing them against steel bars, and the cutting edges are not damaged. That appeals to me, to say the least. :-)

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Postby Jimd » Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:55 pm

Dan: I know you'll be excited, though, the anticipation is half the fun! (How long is Strider's backlog?) Let us know what you think of it when it arrives!>>>

Excited? Hell, Dan, I'm obsessed at this point, ha ha! I'm not sure how long their backlog is...in their email reply to me, I took it as though they had some on hand.

I'll definitely give a full report to you guys when it arrives.

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Postby Jimd » Sun Jun 29, 2003 2:00 pm

Midget: I can't imagine seeing anyone walk around the city (I currently reside in berkeley) with a BN or MT or any of their fixed designs, and get away with it.>>>

Since the WP has a 3.7-inch blade, it may be possible to conceal this monstrosity successfully.

Midget:
I don't like to scare people when I draw a knife (and scaring people goes synonymous with a strider fixed blade). >>>

Yes, Striders can scare the living hell out of folks, but depending upon the folks you're dealing with at the time, that might be a good thing. ;-)

At any rate, I'd only carry this knife for defensive purposes. For everyday cutting, I'd use my Native so as not to terrify the populace, lol.


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Postby sam the man.. » Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:18 pm

well, I'm still yearning for my AR! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

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Postby Ted » Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:42 pm

I was really close to buying a SnG some time ago, but when I found out more on the construction (no bushing like the Sebenza), I decided against it. I like their G-10 handle models. Customers service from Strider appears to be the best there is.

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Postby sam the man.. » Mon Jun 30, 2003 2:35 am

oh well, but I still yearn for a Strider folder.. <img src="tongue.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

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Postby Ted » Mon Jun 30, 2003 3:01 am

Come on Samo, on more and you'll hit 3000!

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Postby Jimd » Mon Jun 30, 2003 6:26 am

Samo: oh well, but I still yearn for a Strider folder.. >>>

I know what ya mean, Samo. That SnG looks completely awesome. But the price is a bit salty, which is going to prevent me from acquiring it for quite some time. Even with my Law Enforcement discount,it's expensive.

I figured I'd start off with a small fixed-blade and move on from there.



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Postby Jimd » Mon Jun 30, 2003 6:28 am

Stryder knives have been used for some odd tasks, but here's what sold me on their knives:
On one occasion, an Army Ranger was rock climbing, and ran out of pitons. He was obviously in quite a predicament, and hammered his Stryder into the rock wall, using it as an anchor point, with NO damage to the blade! That's friggin' awesome!!

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Postby dynaryder » Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:35 am

Jim: just curious where you heard the story. Sounded familiar,and checked my _Tactical Knife_ mags. Pg 23 of the May '03 issue has a wilderness guide doing the same thing w/a CS SRK. And those SRK's are a whole lot more affordible.

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Postby Jimd » Mon Jun 30, 2003 9:33 am

DnyRyder: Jim: just curious where you heard the story. Sounded familiar,and checked my _Tactical Knife_ mags. Pg 23 of the May '03 issue has a wilderness guide doing the same thing w/a CS SRK. >>>

Tactical Knives, May, 1999. Page 37-38. Direct quote from Duage Dwyer.

The entire article is rather interesting and informative.

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Postby Jimd » Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:53 pm

Now I have a dilema.
I can order a Strider MFS online and have it shipped immediately. However, it's steel is ATS-34,which is not as good as S30V.
OR....
I ordered one directly from Strider, the one I originally wanted (WP Tanto) in S30V. BUT, I'm gonna have to wait for 3-6 weeks, which sucks.

What to do?
Incidentally, I asked how long the blade length will be for the WP Tanto, and they said 3-5". I asked if they could be a bit more specific, and they said not really, because each one is hand-ground, so they vary. Kinda neat, though; this will be my first custom, hand-made knife.

What would you guys do?

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Postby Zrexxer » Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:52 pm

If the steel difference were less significant it would be different... but IMO S30V is light years beyond ATS-34. I'd wait for the CPM steel.

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Postby Jimd » Mon Jun 30, 2003 2:05 pm

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If the steel difference were less significant it would be different... but IMO S30V is light years beyond ATS-34. I'd wait for the CPM steel.
Dan >>>

You've got my attention, Dan.
You called the S30V a "CPM" steel? What's that?

Also, can you explain the superiority of the S30V versus the ATS-34. I'm very interested in the differences. Thanks in advance.

As it stands now...I'm likely going to hold out for the S30V knife. But I'll hate the waiting!

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Postby Zrexxer » Mon Jun 30, 2003 4:59 pm

Sorry! I suffer from acronym syndrome sometimes.

CPM is the trademark of Crucible Particle Metallurgy, who makes the CPM440V steels used in Spyderco's Chinook and Military for example, and also makes the new S30V super steel.

There are limits to what amounts of alloying agents will stay in solution in a molten steel formula. High alloys tend to segregate during the ingot cooling process. Crucible developed a proprietary process to make alloys that were not subject to the limitations of normal molten phase steel.

They do this spraying molten steel through a small nozzle and gas atomizing it to produce a rapidly solidified fine powder. The powder is screened and filled into steel containers which are evacuated and sealed. The filled containers are then hot-isostatically-pressed (HIP) to achieve 100% density at approximate forging temperatures. This allows them to produce new high alloy grades only available via the CPM Process, and make steels with better wear resistance without sacrificing toughness.
<a href="http://www.crucibleservice.com/datash/dsS30Vv3.pdf" name="Crubible">Here's a link to Crucible's S30V data sheet</a>

In that link, you will see comparisons to 154CM - that is almost identical to ATS-34. The main difference is that 154CM was an early Crucible product, and ATS-34 is made by Hitachi Steel. For comparison purposes, you can use the 154CM data.

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Postby Zrexxer » Mon Jun 30, 2003 6:36 pm

p.s. there's a guy over on KF that just posted two mint S30V MT's for $275 each...

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