I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

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Do you want a Sage 5 or Sage 5 Lightweight in a premium steel?

1) I want one too... YAY! :)
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2) Nope ... not my cup o' tea :(
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I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby cycleguy » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:48 pm

I want a Sage 5 or a Sage 5 Lightweight in a premium steel. Could be just about anything, but I'll shout out for Forest Green & 204P.

How about you?

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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby GarageBoy » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:06 pm

Is 204P really more "premium" than s30/xhp? Go big or go home

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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby ugaarguy » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:13 pm

I'd prefer that the Sage 2 be brought back with LC200N as a premium Salt model. But if someone did a Sage 5 in forest green G10 and 204P or 20CV, I'd have a hard time not buying it.
GarageBoy wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:06 pm
Is 204P really more "premium" than s30/xhp? Go big or go home

Maxamet chaparral!
Yes, 204P really is more premium than S30V, and it's also far less common in Spydies. Some of us prefer stainless steels to carbon steels.

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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby JuPaul » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:48 pm

I'd be happy with just a new color, but I definitely wouldn't turn my nose up at a steel upgrade as well.
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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby curlyhairedboy » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:53 pm

Maybe 20cv since Taichung recently produced the Watu in it? I'm currently very satisfied with the s30v version, if I'm honest. :)
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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby Mattysc42 » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:57 pm

If doing an M390 analogue, I’d prefer 20cv over 204p because AFAIK it’s less expensive. S90v would work for me as well. For non-stainless, K390 or A11 all the way.
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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby fixall » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:02 pm

I want a Sage LW in a premium steel so badly.

I really think this knife is flying under the radar right now and I don't understand why. Just think of all the times a Chaparral with a longer blade or a para 3 with thinner stock would come in handy!

I'm hoping for something like K390, 4V, or Rex45... Something that is hard with good edge stability and cuts for days.

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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby steelcity16 » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:13 pm

Cru-carta!
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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby JMM » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:15 pm

[+1]

YES, so much yes! I was commenting earlier that a Sage5 LW with the St. Nick's treatment (dlc 4v+red frn) would be awesome... any recent tool steel like 4V, Rex45, K390, CruWear would be an instant buy for me! :D

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Voting Omission

Postby RustyIron » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:38 pm

Where is the checkbox for a Sage 5 in premium steel that's left handed?
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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby DTPrime » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:20 pm

Sign me up! Really hoping the LW gets a bunch of versions but a G10 one in the St Nicks series would be amazing. Hopefully we don't have to wait for the Para 3 LW to cycle through first to see some but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.

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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby Mushroom » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:25 pm

Personally, I feel like there is a certain level of integrity that comes with the Sage series as a whole. It's primary concept is to utilize a single design theme but showcase a unique lock as a way of honoring the locks inventor. The theme present across the entire series is the design itself, a deep carry wire clip, and an S30V blade. To release a regular production model that doesn't maintain at least those three things would, in a way, abandon the integrity of the whole series.

I feel like an exclusive variant could probably get away with changing the blade steel, but I wouldn't want to see a regular production model with anything but S30V.

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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby abbazaba » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:27 pm

PMA11? ... For the Sage FRN and the Chaparral FRN? :) :spyder:

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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby Wartstein » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:08 am

I know that the Sage was meant to showcase different lock types in the more or less "same" knife..

But other than that: Imagine the Sage 5 would get at least some of the variants the similar sized and featuring the same lock Para 3 gets (or some instead of the Para 3): Would make a lot of sense imho.
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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby Larry_Mott » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:18 am

Mushroom wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:25 pm
Personally, I feel like there is a certain level of integrity that comes with the Sage series as a whole. It's primary concept is to utilize a single design theme but showcase a unique lock as a way of honoring the locks inventor. The theme present across the entire series is the design itself, a deep carry wire clip, and an S30V blade. To release a regular production model that doesn't maintain at least those three things would, in a way, abandon the integrity of the whole series.

I feel like an exclusive variant could probably get away with changing the blade steel, but I wouldn't want to see a regular production model with anything but S30V.

:spyder:
Agree 100% so didn't vote since the Sage series ARE my cup of tea, but i am totally indifferent to changes in steel.
Plenty of choices for steel nerds to go to town on. Please keep the Sage and Chaparral series 'as is/intended'
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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby Wartstein » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:33 am

Larry_Mott wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:18 am
Mushroom wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:25 pm
Agree 100% so didn't vote since the Sage series ARE my cup of tea, but i am totally indifferent to changes in steel.
Plenty of choices for steel nerds to go to town on. Please keep the Sage and Chaparral series 'as is/intended'

I am generally with you in that the Sage series should primarily "just" showcase different lock types, and S30V is totally fine with me anyway.

Still: If I was into Sage sized Spydies, wanted a comp. lock and various steel choices, I´d probably be a bit annoyed by the disproportion between Sage 5 and Para 3 when it comes to variants. And there are not too many other choices, right (with a comp.lock)? (Now for example the Watu, but that one is also S30V)

For me personally the Sage 5 is THE small comp. lock knife that is really designed as a small knife from the scratch and "does it right" for me in most aspects (reasonable "thin" bladestock (though it could be thinner, 2.5 like the Delica), grip area on the actual handle optimized and so on).
While the Para 3 is cool, but (again, for me personally) more a "niche knife" for situations where I for whatever reason would want an overbuilt fat blade or just the "cool factor" of a "baby PM2".

So in my opinion they should either shift SOME of the steel choices the Para 3 comes in towards the Sage 5 (or towards the Watu?) or create another( lighter, thinner bladed and optimized concerning actual grip area on the handle) comp. lock model that then comes in more steel variants - solely in order to create choices.

Just my 2c of course, and since I am more into backlocks, I have choices here anyway (Delica, Native, Chap..)
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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby Larry_Mott » Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:34 am

Wartstein wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:33 am
Larry_Mott wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:18 am
Mushroom wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:25 pm
Agree 100% so didn't vote since the Sage series ARE my cup of tea, but i am totally indifferent to changes in steel.
Plenty of choices for steel nerds to go to town on. Please keep the Sage and Chaparral series 'as is/intended'

I am generally with you in that the Sage series should primarily "just" showcase different lock types, and S30V is totally fine with me anyway.

Still: If I was into Sage sized Spydies, wanted a comp. lock and various steel choices, I´d probably be a bit annoyed by the disproportion between Sage 5 and Para 3 when it comes to variants. And there are not too many other choices, right (with a comp.lock)? (Now for example the Watu, but that one is also S30V)

For me personally the Sage 5 is THE small comp. lock knife that is really designed as a small knife from the scratch and "does it right" for me in most aspects (reasonable "thin" bladestock (though it could be thinner, 2.5 like the Delica), grip area on the actual handle optimized and so on).
While the Para 3 is cool, but (again, for me personally) more a "niche knife" for situations where I for whatever reason would want an overbuilt fat blade or just the "cool factor" of a "baby PM2".

So in my opinion they should either shift SOME of the steel choices the Para 3 comes in towards the Sage 5 (or towards the Watu?) or create another( lighter, thinner bladed and optimized concerning actual grip area on the handle) comp. lock model that then comes in more steel variants - solely in order to create choices.

Just my 2c of course, and since I am more into backlocks, I have choices here anyway (Delica, Native, Chap..)
I hear you, and those are valid points. Must be hellish for Spyderco to decide when theoretically they could probably make each and every knife in the portfolio with 4 different locks and 10 different steels and (some) people would still go "If only the X was 3mm longer, or Y came without finger choil" :)
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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby gull wing » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:56 am

Yes, premium steel yes.
I would even go with CTS XHP, just almost anything but S30V.
Lets go all the way Lightweight, in BD1N
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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby Wartstein » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:12 am

Larry_Mott wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:34 am
Wartstein wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:33 am
Larry_Mott wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:18 am
Mushroom wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:25 pm
I hear you, and those are valid points. Must be hellish for Spyderco to decide when theoretically they could probably make each and every knife in the portfolio with 4 different locks and 10 different steels and (some) people would still go "If only the X was 3mm longer, or Y came without finger choil" :)

Yes, I am glad that I am NOT the one who has to decide such things.. ;)

But again, in the small-comp.-lock-knife-arena imho there is just a disproportion towards the Para 3 when it comes to (steel- and other) variants, and a knife like the Sage 5 would offer an alternative comp. lock model in the same size range for those who want thinner stock, leaf shape, probably stronger tip, no space restricting "hook" at the rear end of the handle and so on...(and those who like the Para 3 would still get enough versions of that one too of course!)

So I am not arguing against the Para 3 here , but just think the variants and sprints could be better divided (distributed? Not sure which english term is correct here) between Para 3 and a Sage 5 like comp. lock folder.
Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40

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Re: I want a Sage 5 in a premium steel!!!

Postby wrdwrght » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:36 am

Larry_Mott wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:18 am
Mushroom wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:25 pm
Personally, I feel like there is a certain level of integrity that comes with the Sage series as a whole. It's primary concept is to utilize a single design theme but showcase a unique lock as a way of honoring the locks inventor. The theme present across the entire series is the design itself, a deep carry wire clip, and an S30V blade. To release a regular production model that doesn't maintain at least those three things would, in a way, abandon the integrity of the whole series.

I feel like an exclusive variant could probably get away with changing the blade steel, but I wouldn't want to see a regular production model with anything but S30V.

:spyder:
Agree 100% so didn't vote since the Sage series ARE my cup of tea, but i am totally indifferent to changes in steel.
Plenty of choices for steel nerds to go to town on. Please keep the Sage and Chaparral series 'as is/intended'
I echo Larry.

And I’ll go a step farther.

Many newer (than me) and more active (than me) people here seem less interested in what has motivated the Glessers in their design-decisions and, so, second-guess these decisions with selfish change-requests, sometimes even before an announced model materializes.

This disrespectful clamoring also finds its way into Sal’s bombshell thread where, now, irrelevant personal exchanges have ruined a once-useful signal-to-noise ratio.


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