Can't get no respect

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Thats great news!
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The sheath is a little tight but it's good to have another respect. :D
Also thanks spyderco for the replacement.

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Don't break it. ;)
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Ankerson wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:08 pm
Don't break it. ;)
I'll try not to.
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Super cool!
It really is a beautiful knife too!
Hope we do end up hearing more about what the engineers may or may not find? If anything, I find the break intriguing. I guess curiosity is getting the better of me.
rex121 is the king of steel, but nature’s teeth have been cutting for hundreds of millions of years and counting :cool:
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Hi VashHash,

Enjoy your new knife. The sheath will break in, just in and out some. I carry mine on my hip inside my pants.

Jim's a knuckle dragger, so he should know.

Hey Cl1ff,

Sometimes this kind of stuff really is challenging to determine.

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sal wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:23 am
Hi VashHash,

Enjoy your new knife. The sheath will break in, just in and out some. I carry mine on my hip inside my pants.

Jim's a knuckle dragger, so he should know.

Hey Cl1ff,

Sometimes this kind of stuff really is challenging to determine.

sal

Sal,

Well you know how it is. :D

Sometimes you just gotta do it, like it's calling to you. :spyder:

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sal wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:23 am
Hi VashHash,

Enjoy your new knife. The sheath will break in, just in and out some. I carry mine on my hip inside my pants.

Jim's a knuckle dragger, so he should know.

Hey Cl1ff,

Sometimes this kind of stuff really is challenging to determine.

sal
I also carry it IWB. But right now the whole sheath comes out when I draw it. It'll be fine just glad to have it back on my hip.

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Superflex wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:20 pm
I recall something about using the right tool for the job.
Indeed.
VashHash wrote:
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We have knives for woodscraft, generally the name is "Busse", they heat treat the steel to Bainite just like the best swords.
You can grab a hundred big knives made of high alloy steel and get the same result as this every time, especially with the shape of that tang.
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Joshua J. wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:52 am
Superflex wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:20 pm
I recall something about using the right tool for the job.
Indeed.
VashHash wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:35 pm
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We have knives for woodscraft, generally the name is "Busse", they heat treat the steel to Bainite just like the best swords.
You can grab a hundred big knives made of high alloy steel and get the same result as this every time, especially with the shape of that tang.


Not really. ;)

They can take more than you think.

Now there are some that I wouldn't use like that, but for the most part they are fine, just depends on the actual knife.

I cracked a Busse before and have seen 3V chip so one can never really tell what will happen.

I have a Province Prototype in S30V that I put though **** and back and it held up fine, I didn't care if I broke it if that tells you anything, and it's even thinner than the Production models, and it's also hollow ground to boot.

Took my Randall #14 in stainless 440B and pounded it through VERY HARD seasoned Hickory. Had to really pound on it too.

Bottom line is anything can happen, broke a few FB's myself over the years so you just never know. :confused:
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I once took a 1/2 inch deep chip out of the edge of a knife from batoning a tiny chunk of wood smaller than a Rubik’s cube.
It still baffles me considering I had split much worse pieces of wood many times prior.
Ive kept the chunk of blade with the knife ever since.

Acts as some sort of reminder I suppose.
The “right tool for the job” doesn’t always work for any number of reasons.
rex121 is the king of steel, but nature’s teeth have been cutting for hundreds of millions of years and counting :cool:
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Looks to my non-engineer-self as though the impact from the baton created a stress riser at the top inside corner of the reduced tang. I am surprised it’s not radiused there. Interesting guard assembly too! Pretty innovative.
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Its been two decades since my structural engineering days but it looks like it failed in shear. Hard to say what the area of reduce tang is by viewing the picture, but conservatively the shear strength is 50,000 psi and probably significantly higher. No way the poster exceeded that either through bending, torsion, or oblique angle of force. A tight radius would impact a fatigue failure more than a shear failure.
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I'll keeping my eye on this thread. I understand that there are flukes and random failures, but as someone who just bought a Respect with the hope of it handling some rough work, I must admit my confidence is a little shaken.
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Hi RAH Commanche, KnifeLaws,

Welcome to our forum.

We want you to use it. There is nothing like "Real World Testing". If you have a problem, we'll fix and and try to learn from it. That's how we improve. We can lab test all day long, but studying a failure is an opportunity. One of my mentors, Dick Newick, said that, "you had to exceed the limit to find the limit".

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sal wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:45 pm
Hi RAH Commanche, KnifeLaws,

Welcome to our forum.

We want you to use it. There is nothing like "Real World Testing". If you have a problem, we'll fix and and try to learn from it. That's how we improve. We can lab test all day long, but studying a failure is an opportunity. One of my mentors, Dick Newick, said that, "you had to exceed the limit to find the limit".

sal
I guess with this in mind I'll start chopping stuff with my respect again.
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Hi VashHash,

Please do. If we have a problem, we need to know it before we can solve it.

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sal wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:45 pm
Hi RAH Commanche, KnifeLaws,

Welcome to our forum.

We want you to use it. There is nothing like "Real World Testing". If you have a problem, we'll fix and and try to learn from it. That's how we improve. We can lab test all day long, but studying a failure is an opportunity. One of my mentors, Dick Newick, said that, "you had to exceed the limit to find the limit".

sal
Thanks Sal, that's reassuring to hear. An admirable attitude to product design and, well, life in general!
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sal wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:17 pm
Hi VashHash,

Please do. If we have a problem, we need to know it before we can solve it.

sal
I respect this attitude very much.
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Well that's 1 down and the guard is solid and no other issues.

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