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Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby Doc Dan » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:42 am

Hi Sal, I was not sure how to contact Pete so I thought I would put my idea here. I’m sorry fir the terrible drawing but I hope it carries the idea well enough.

I also thought it would give the others a chance to weigh in. Jazz has a design also.

Anyway, this is it.

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I wanted a modified sheep foot/wharncliffe blade with graceful lines. I have not worked out the blade width, only to say proportional increase over the current Roadie based on increased length. The current a Roadie is so easy to pocket, like a pencil stub, and I was trying to keep that ease in mind when drawing this.

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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby JustinB » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:57 am

I quite like that. I like the smaller spydie holes (spydie nicks?) and the less pronounced hump at the tip. Looks like you shortened the choil a bit to squeeze a little more useable blade in. Now if this was made with nice thin 2mm stock I wouldn't hesitate to pick a few up!

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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby attila » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:54 am

I’ve always liked the idea of the Roadie. The only reasons I haven’t bought a Roadie are the overly bulbous tip and underwhelming steel.

I’m interested to see where this discussion leads.
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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby prndltech » Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:36 pm

Oooo.... that’s cool.
a 2.5” lambs foot roadie would be cooler in my not so humble opinion.
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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby Mushroom » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:26 pm

I have a very similar design that would fit this category very well! ;) I'm a bit reluctant to share right now as it's something I'd like to actually produce, but I really like this idea Dan! :spyder:
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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby araneae » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:33 pm

attila wrote:
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I’ve always liked the idea of the Roadie. The only reasons I haven’t bought a Roadie are the overly bulbous tip and underwhelming steel.

I’m interested to see where this discussion leads.
I have similar interest, although I always found the price a tad high too. It's a relatively simple knife. Slip joints definitely seem to be a growing market.
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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby sal » Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:09 pm

Hi Doc,

I'd like more input. You have only added a small amount to the length?

The original Roadie was designed to meet the European requirement for airline travel. We thought it would make it to the US, but never did. Are you asking for a slightly larger version, or is there more input you'd like to share, or input I'm not seeing?

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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby twinboysdad » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:22 pm

Strong back spring is all I ask.

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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby Doc Dan » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:20 pm

sal wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:09 pm
Hi Doc,

I'd like more input. You have only added a small amount to the length?

The original Roadie was designed to meet the European requirement for airline travel. We thought it would make it to the US, but never did. Are you asking for a slightly larger version, or is there more input you'd like to share, or input I'm not seeing?

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Hi Sal,

Yes, I want a slightly larger version, one that can more easily cut apples. hahaha! The current blade is too short for that. What I want is still slim like the original, but a slightly longer and broader blade, but not as broad as knives like the Cat or Squeak, by any means. I like how the current model is so trim, about like a #2 pencil. I was also trying to smooth out the transition to the hump and then give it a bit of a point, while still keeping to a modified sheepfoot like the original. The slightly broader blade I would envision to be just a little thinner in stock and thinner behind the edge. I did not include a swedge, but it could have a shallow one if desired, but not necessary. The current Roadie has a 2.09” blade. I prefer 2.65 inches in blade length but I chose 2.5 inches because of so many local laws limiting pocket knife blade length and I did not want the overall knife size to get too large. Trim and slim like the original, but slightly longer in blade and blade width. Does this make sense?
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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby Ric » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:18 pm

Flying with a knife (even Victorinox Classic SD) you can forget these days.
Even flying you con forget these days ;)

I did not bought a roadie because of the too thick blade.
A Victorinox Classic SD blade is thin and also survives the daily tasks.
Please make a pocket slicer not a pocket pry bar.

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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby z4vdBt » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:02 am

My vote is for a Sheepsfoot (two on the left) or Lambsfoot (#3 from the left):

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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby ChrisinHove » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:26 am

Is that a Myrtle-esque recurve on the Doc’s sketch, or just a slight belly? I’m not sure how a belly on a wharncliffe would work.

As an alternative I wonder how a (very) asymmetric spear point might function.

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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby Doc Dan » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:49 am

sal wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:09 pm
Hi Doc,

I'd like more input. You have only added a small amount to the length?

The original Roadie was designed to meet the European requirement for airline travel. We thought it would make it to the US, but never did. Are you asking for a slightly larger version, or is there more input you'd like to share, or input I'm not seeing?

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Here are some dimensions.

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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby Theldraskien » Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:57 am

Jazz wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:30 am
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I really like the look of this design, Jazz. It reminds me a lot of a slimmer Pingo, which I have been wanting to try but have not been able to find (besides the Elmax/Ti) and not at a reasonable price.

Looks great IMO 👍

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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby JustinB » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:10 am

Looks like a Pingo mini. I like it!

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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby Doc Dan » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:11 am

ChrisinHove wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:26 am
Is that a Myrtle-esque recurve on the Doc’s sketch, or just a slight belly?
No, just crappy drawing. :D
It has a slight belly like the current Roadie.
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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby sal » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:12 am

Hi Doc,

Interesting discussion. Would a 3.0" blade serve your needs? Like Jazz suggests? Making a Roadie 2 with only a slightly longer blade would not justify tooling cost. We could also make a G-10 "test piece" but the cost would be higher per piece.

Hi Ric,

I made the blade thicker to withstand harder use than the Victorinox can handle. It also made the "double dent" easier to use. If we decide to more on a Roadie 2, I would make the bade longer, wider and a bit thinner.

Hey z4vdBt,

The blunt tip was to serve the airlines, as was the double dent, to remove one hand open. A Roadie 2 could begin with a blank sheet. So it's more of what would you like to see without the requirement of airline travel, as Ric said, is note really a consideration.

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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby Dazen » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:43 am

This is something I brought up a while back in bit of a different way. And Doc has is it right with “Trim and Slim like the original, but slightly longer and a bit taller”.

I would love to see a tool steel, micarta, sheepfoot(maybe modified) and still be able to throw it in the pocket of my dress pants without too much bulk. Maybe even Spyderco’s version of a swayback.

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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby Doc Dan » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:48 am

sal wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:12 am
Hi Doc,

Interesting discussion. Would a 3.0" blade serve your needs? Like Jazz suggests? Making a Roadie 2 with only a slightly longer blade would not justify tooling cost. We could also make a G-10 "test piece" but the cost would be higher per piece.

Hi Ric,

I made the blade thicker to withstand harder use than the Victorinox can handle. It also made the "double dent" easier to use. If we decide to more on a Roadie 2, I would make the bade longer, wider and a bit thinner.

Hey z4vdBt,

The blunt tip was to serve the airlines, as was the double dent, to remove one hand open. A Roadie 2 could begin with a blank sheet. So it's more of what would you like to see without the requirement of airline travel, as Ric said, is note really a consideration.

sal
Well more blade is good...to a point. As long as it is still trim and slim it might be okay. I prefer 2.65 to 2.75” of blade as I like pocket knives more and more as I get older. I don’t need another Delica sized knife.
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Re: Sal—design for Roadie 2

Postby Jazz » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:35 pm

I think the 2.75” blade is perfect. It could use the Spy-DK’s handle. The clip is awesome, and isn’t bulky, if you want to throw it in your pocket. I do like a lanyard hole right at the end, though. Might need to doodle some more.
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