I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby Wartstein » Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:49 am

I am lucky in that even if not considering what locktype they feature, the knives I actually like to carry the most (concerning the sum of functionality, uitility, size in pocket, weight, edge length and so on) just happen to have the locktype I came to like the most over the years (backlock) too. :)

Or in other words:
If the great Endura came with a comp. lock (and no longer with a backlock), would I still carry it? Sure!
Would I still prefer it with a backlock? Yes.
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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby JD Spydo » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:57 am

Like most of you I have locking systems on folders that I like better than others. However I have never had any type of locking system on any Spyderco knife ever fail me or malfunction. I've been using dry lubes on most of my folder locks in the past year and it seems to be a great way to keep them functioning.

I"m not sure what other locking systems you could use on Spyderco's Hawkbills without catapulting the price.

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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby Evil D » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:40 am

For me it's usually a Dragonfly. I only have a few back lock models and it's more the models themselves that don't get carried than the lock itself. If they made a back lock Caribbean I'd most likely carry it over the compression lock version as my work knife because I find the back lock easier to operate with gloves on.
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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby Pancake » Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:07 am

Evil D wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:40 am
If they made a back lock Caribbean I'd most likely carry it over the compression lock version as my work knife because I find the back lock easier to operate with gloves on.
Backlock Caribbean would be like 😍😍

I carry backlock everyday. My every Spyderco is a backlock. Yes, I am in the backlock brigade.
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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby Wartstein » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:20 pm

Pancake wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:07 am
Evil D wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:40 am
If they made a back lock Caribbean I'd most likely carry it over the compression lock version as my work knife because I find the back lock easier to operate with gloves on.
Backlock Caribbean would be like 😍😍

....

+1

I even started a poll a about this very topic some time ago: https://forum.spyderco.com/viewtopic.php?t=84657 (and the last post so far there is by YOU :D )

And I hope the Rock Jumper will be kind of a "Lil backlock Caribbean".. :rolleyes:
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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby Monty » Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:03 pm

Wartstein wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:20 pm
Pancake wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:07 am
Evil D wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:40 am
If they made a back lock Caribbean I'd most likely carry it over the compression lock version as my work knife because I find the back lock easier to operate with gloves on.
Backlock Caribbean would be like 😍😍

....

+1

I even started a poll a about this very topic some time ago: https://forum.spyderco.com/viewtopic.php?t=84657 (and the last post so far there is by YOU :D )

And I hope the Rock Jumper will be kind of a "Lil backlock Caribbean".. :rolleyes:
Just a few months ago the Caribbean was my favorite and most carried Spyderco. In use, that probably still stands but for carrying it around I lost confidence in it, mine has such a weak detent it can't (IMO) be safely carried IWB in board shorts. I believe there was talk of a slightly longer blade XL Caribbean. Give me that with a backlock and I'd be very happy.

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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby Ric » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:57 pm

If no CL but BL it's a Dragonfly.
I would love having a Lil Native backlock in Rex45 - bit it's not available.

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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby Doc Dan » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 pm

Ric wrote:
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I would love having a Lil Native backlock in Rex45 - bit it's not available.
Yeah, me too. This is why I’m not buying the new Sprint...it’s not a backlock. I’m still tempted buy it.
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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby cabfrank » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:03 am

I never thought backlocks would be anywhere near the top of my list. It just so happened that the vast majority of my knives, almost all, have them. Go figure.

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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby PeaceInOurTime » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:12 am

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I'm kidding!

The backlock is probably my favorite lock right now for many reasons, but every lock has its positives and negatives. I'm glad Spyderco has options for everyone :)

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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby Woodpuppy » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:59 am

I confess to chasing the new hotness in locks for a while, meanwhile the backlock was just quietly getting it done. There’s a lot to like about them. Backlocks I have include a Damascus and stag Buck 110, I’m not sure how many delicas, a Salt 2, and some dragonflies.

I plan to acquire an Endura and a Pacific Salt 2 or perhaps an Atlantic Salt. The Spyderco mid/back lock is really pretty awesome. Better than other brands by far.
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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby The Meat man » Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:17 am

The Spyderco back lock is one of the best out there to be sure, but it still isn't as good as Cold Steel's TriAd lock. I wish Spyderco would at least incorporate a stop pin in their backlocks. That would eliminate my biggest complaint with backlocks - vertical blade play. My Cold Steel Voyager has none but every single Spyderco backlock I own (including the Native 5) has it.
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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby Pancake » Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:36 am

The Meat man wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:17 am
The Spyderco back lock is one of the best out there to be sure, but it still isn't as good as Cold Steel's TriAd lock. I wish Spyderco would at least incorporate a stop pin in their backlocks.
At least one - Chaparral has a internal stop pin.
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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby Jazz » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:31 am

The Meat man wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:17 am
The Spyderco back lock is one of the best out there to be sure, but it still isn't as good as Cold Steel's TriAd lock. I wish Spyderco would at least incorporate a stop pin in their backlocks. That would eliminate my biggest complaint with backlocks - vertical blade play. My Cold Steel Voyager has none but every single Spyderco backlock I own (including the Native 5) has it.

I love the Triad Lock, but very rarely carry my Cold Steels. They have no thumb hole or ergos. I don't let the up-down play bug me, but I'd love a Spyderco with a Triad. I love the security of it more than the solidity. Regardless, I still love a Spyderco back lock above all else I carry. Ambidextrous, easy to close one handed, solid, I love the Boye dent for feel without looking, it's very familiar, and I don't fumble it at all.
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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby JRinFL » Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:09 am

Back locks are the most comfortable knives for me to use, with the smooth top surface devoid of the annoying cutout like the comp lock. Easy to unlock, works left or right handed, plenty strong for most every use. That said, I don't overlook knives based on the lock alone like I used to in the past. Once you get used to using a slip joint, any lock is more than enough.
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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby VooDooChild » Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:10 am

The Meat man wrote: The Spyderco back lock is one of the best out there to be sure, but it still isn't as good as Cold Steel's TriAd lock. I wish Spyderco would at least incorporate a stop pin in their backlocks. That would eliminate my biggest complaint with backlocks - vertical blade play. My Cold Steel Voyager has none but every single Spyderco backlock I own (including the Native 5) has it.
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In use, specifically in disengaging the lock, I find spydercos backlocks to be much better than the triad lock. I love the design of the triad lock in theory, but in application I dont feel Im gaining anything.

Also there is a difference between lock rock, which my endura definitely has, and a fraction of a millimeter of movement based on tolerances, which is the category the golden models are in.

I also know how many people are going to tell me this is impossible but I will say it anyway. I have two triad lock knives and both have that fraction of a millimeter of vertical blade play even after a hard solid lockup. This just comes down to tolerances of pins/cutouts/blade and lockbar cutout, and the pivot, etc.

From my experience I will take a golden made backlock over any other version of that lock from any other company on the market.
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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby Jazz » Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:17 am

JRinFL wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:09 am
Back locks are the most comfortable knives for me to use, with the smooth top surface devoid of the annoying cutout like the comp lock.

Good point. The cutout, especially on the comp locks, is very annoying when actually doing hard cuts with the palm digging in there. I don't like it at all. Especially how it narrows to one liner for a bit. Hard on the hand.
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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby Snacktime » Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:52 am

Bought a Stretch 2 to try V-Toku... Then an Endura, Delica and a Matriarch.

Through the process I have found I like finger choil on the blade and back locks. Waiting to buy a police frn as soon as I get pissed trying to by sprint runs. Very happy with spyderco back locks vs other brands, no issues with the lock becoming stiff with time. Stiff back locks is the main reason I tried liner locks... Liner locks eating my leather and rubber gloves at work made me try compression locks... Some how my Stretch 2 is my favorite work knife, even with the 15 degree edge I put on...

Big part of buying a useful knife for me is the lock then the design.

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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby Wartstein » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:49 am

JRinFL wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:09 am
Back locks are the most comfortable knives for me to use, with the smooth top surface devoid of the annoying cutout like the comp lock. Easy to unlock, works left or right handed, plenty strong for most every use. That said, I don't overlook knives based on the lock alone like I used to in the past. Once you get used to using a slip joint, any lock is more than enough.

Not only the smooth top surface, but also just the closed back construction all backlock knives feature is more comfortable than the open backs many folders with different lock types have. Of course though that only is potentially an issue if one uses a folder over really extended periods of time, which most people don´t (including myself, or at least just very rarely)
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Re: I don’t always carry a Back Lock...

Postby The Meat man » Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:41 pm

Jazz wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:31 am
The Meat man wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:17 am
The Spyderco back lock is one of the best out there to be sure, but it still isn't as good as Cold Steel's TriAd lock. I wish Spyderco would at least incorporate a stop pin in their backlocks. That would eliminate my biggest complaint with backlocks - vertical blade play. My Cold Steel Voyager has none but every single Spyderco backlock I own (including the Native 5) has it.

I love the Triad Lock, but very rarely carry my Cold Steels. They have no thumb hole or ergos. I don't let the up-down play bug me, but I'd love a Spyderco with a Triad. I love the security of it more than the solidity. Regardless, I still love a Spyderco back lock above all else I carry. Ambidextrous, easy to close one handed, solid, I love the Boye dent for feel without looking, it's very familiar, and I don't fumble it at all.
I've gotten more or less used to a bit of up-and-down play in backlocks but I still think of it at times especially when really bearing down in a cut. I've batoned mercilessly with the Voyager and no lock rock or blade play at all.
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