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Urban LW pivot screw

Postby Doc Dan » Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:26 am

The pivot screw is too tight on my Coyote Urban LW....lets be clear....way too tight...and seems to be getting worse. I’ve ne er heard of it getting worse.

So, I tried to loosen the pivot, but all that it does is spin. No amount of rubber pad on the opposite side, heavy pressure, or other such tricks have worked.

Any solutions?
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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby jdw » Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:40 am

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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby Robert Ptacek » Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:42 am

I never had the problem myself I've heard other people had luck with,the blade open,putting firm side pressure on blade to bind pivot and trying to unscrew it.

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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby Nate » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:24 pm

I've never faced that specific issue, but my last resort for stubborn screws is to heat the torx side with the tip of a soldering iron until the loctite softens up.
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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby Mzen » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:31 pm

The Maniago factory strikes again... From experience, I can tell you that the D-shaped pivot hole turned into an O-shaped hole by now, I've had that experience twice now with Italian FRN models, on a Squeak and an Urban. Unfortunately, for me personally, after trying every single little trick and hack in the book, the only way I've managed to unscrew the pivot on my FRN Squeak was to super-glue the flat side of the pivot to stop it from rotating. I've managed to get it open that way, but I definitely don't recommend this method, unless you are looking to buy some custom scales and don't care what happens to the FRN ones, because you can mess them up beyond repair.

The best FRN definitely comes from Golden, my Native 5 LW is proof of that. I can't imagine what it would take to cause any damage to it.

I think the Urban might be my most carried model (since one-handed locking knives are a big no-no in Germany), but after my experiences, I will only buy another one if it comes in G10, that's for sure. That UKPK from Heinnie Haynes is the best model you can buy if you want some very high-quality Spyderco slip-joint action, no doubt about it. I'm hoping that the Lil' Native slippie can somehow match it because if it does, I think my Urban's days might be counted.

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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby Cambertree » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:20 pm

Yeah I had the problem on a set of Koa wood aftermarket Dragonfly scales that didn’t have the D shaped hole in the pivot area.

I tried a lot of approaches, but ended up having to superglue the head of the female screw to the scales as well.

Not really ideal, but it works.

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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby Jazz » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:38 pm

Can you grind a groove in the opposite side for a flat screwdriver?
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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby bbturbodad » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:00 pm

Did you "break" the threadlocker? I just checked mine and it only had a tiny drop, but as we know Maniago's quality control on this batch left a bit to be desired so if you have a soldering iron I'd give some heat a try and see if that works.
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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby Bloke » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:16 pm

Only thing I can suggest is, scratching up the dome side of the pivot pin with fine wet and dry sandpaper or similar and clean it up with acetone or so you get the best keyed surface and super glue it to a bit of hardwood and try again.

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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby koenigsegg » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:09 pm

I sent my K390 back to Golden for the same thing, they told me they didn't have any grey scales. I did not ask if they would install blackones but I would be happy if they would. They didn't offer and I didn't think of it till getting it back.
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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby araneae » Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:29 pm

Mine's the same. Over tightened pivot, trying to loosen it I'm pretty sure the hole rounded out and it just spins.
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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby Doc Dan » Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:56 pm

I would not worry about it but it is getting worse. Even with lubricant it is getting stiffer. How can that be? I’m a big guy but sometimes I just use two hands to open the knife. I’ll try the soldering iron, but I think the scale is stripped.
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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby ChrisinHove » Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:17 am

Perhaps the edges of the frn have burred around the distorted pivot hole. I guess that excess material created has to go somewhere if it is no longer forming the D.
Does the pivot screw rotate with the blade?

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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby Jazz » Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:55 am

I tried to soften the edges of the "locking" contact surfaces on the blade and spring of a Spy-DK, and even though I polished them, as I used it a bit, they broke down. There were tiny metal particles coming off, getting into the pivot, causing the action to be very hard to open. The way the spring holds the blade open, with that locking ledge, I'm surprised all my non lockers don't do that. I have another Spy-DK that feels like it's grinding away every time I open it. It works fine. Just feels like it won't be.
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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby Doc Dan » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:37 am

Perhaps there is metal or frn getting into the blade pivot and that is why it is getting harder to open. I did not think of it that way.

When I got the knife it was fine. The more I have used it the harder it has gotten to open and I cannot get the screw out to look inside.
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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby Doc Dan » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:41 am

I know one thing for sure. As much as I love the size and feel of the Urban, I’m not buying another one until they sort all this out.
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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby GarageBoy » Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:29 am

Hope a CQI is in order
Rounding off the D shaped holes for the Chicago screw is very annoying -

Is this an Italian mfg specific issue?

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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby aesmith » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:07 am

Doc Dan wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:56 pm
I would not worry about it but it is getting worse. Even with lubricant it is getting stiffer. How can that be?
My UKPK did that, roughness inside the pivot hole in the blade was tearing up the pivot. I sent it to Golden and it came back fixed and has stayed fixed. I'm not sure what they did, I guess replaced the interscrew and smoothed the bore a little.
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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby ChrisinHove » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:45 am

This is why I love the Ti Squeak.

We hear less about the frn UKPK’s doing this. Does Maniago use a lesser frn, I wonder?

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Re: Urban LW pivot screw

Postby araneae » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:30 pm

ChrisinHove wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:45 am
This is why I love the Ti Squeak.

We hear less about the frn UKPK’s doing this. Does Maniago use a lesser frn, I wonder?
I think its more a case of over tightening and too much threadlocker.
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