Siren v/s Spydiechef

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Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby gdwtvb » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:05 pm

First the background. I have been trying to do a better job at embracing minimalism. In fact the majority of my knives have gotten sold over the past year; I am almost down to just users now. (Less than a dozen pocketknives.) I have XXL hands.

My primary EDC blade is the Chaparral Ti stealth model which won't be going anywhere.

I'm wanting to add another knife that can double as a larger EDC option as well as give me the benefits of super rust resistance for when I'm at the lake. I've narrowed it down to the Siren or the Spydiechef. I remove clips and carry loose in pocket with a fob. Happily both models feature a lanyard hole. I am not weight sensitive, and surprisingly both knives are nearly the same weight. I generally gravitate towards Ti scales, but the siren calls to me with the exquisite shape and beautiful blue liner accents.

Other than the universal forum advice of 'buy both' does anyone have any thoughts.

Yes, I am aware that the Siren isn't available yet.

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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby Enactive » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:13 pm

If you wanna carry loose in your pocket, I'd gravitate towards a backlock knife. I love my SpydieChef, but the detent is relatively weak and the blade can be shaken open easier than I'd like. So, maybe Siren?

The Chef could feel small in XXL hands, although you're used to a Chap, so ?

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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby Spydergirl88 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:17 pm

Siren is grippier than the Spydiechef. The blade shape and guard of the siren lend better to fishing tasks (you said you would be at a lake). Siren has a backlock, won't have to worry about the knife opening in your pocket like the RIL of the Chef. My 2 cents.
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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby Wartstein » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:25 pm

Never had a SpydieChef and obviously also not a Siren. So my points are just theoretically, not based on experience with either knife

Generally, but especially as a general EDC option besides the Chap I´d take the Siren without any doubt.

I clearly prefer the backlock (not necessarely only because it is safer in pocket), and just from looking at the Spydiechef I´d think it´s rather positive blade angle is not what I´d personally want in a general EDC (EDIT: But the positive angle sure is beneficial when cutting on a cutting board!)

Grippier handle, safer grip due to that and also the guard and a bit more usable edge are additional benefits of the Siren over the Spydiechef for me.
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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby Ric » Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:09 pm

Why not the Caribbean?

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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby Wartstein » Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:32 pm

Ric wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:09 pm
Why not the Caribbean?
Right.
Or a Pac Salt?
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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby gdwtvb » Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:34 pm

Thanks for the thoughts. I hadn't considered that the detent on the spydiechef might cause opening in pocket. I never had that problem with my recently sold Sage 2, Farid K2, or Spyderco Tusk. Does the Spydiechef suffer a weaker than average detent? My long experience with the Tusk has made me appreciate the LC200N blade material.

Ric. I've never owned a compression lock. (Heresy maybe?) I've tried a couple Spyderco models with them at the knife store and didn't find them as easy to manipulate as RIL or backlocks which are both second nature to me. Also my ladybug salt in yellow looks pretty grimy/dirty after years of keychain duty in a warehouse, the black/yellow color combo isn't my favorite.

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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby Wartstein » Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:51 pm

gdwtvb wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:34 pm
Thanks for the thoughts. I hadn't considered that the detent on the spydiechef might cause opening in pocket. I never had that problem with my recently sold Sage 2, Farid K2, or Spyderco Tusk. Does the Spydiechef suffer a weaker than average detent? My long experience with the Tusk has made me appreciate the LC200N blade material.

Ric. I've never owned a compression lock. (Heresy maybe?) I've tried a couple Spyderco models with them at the knife store and didn't find them as easy to manipulate as RIL or backlocks which are both second nature to me. Also my ladybug salt in yellow looks pretty grimy/dirty after years of keychain duty in a warehouse, the black/yellow color combo isn't my favorite.

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In THAT case I´d recommend the Siren even more!

I think that one of the clear DISadvantages of the backlock is, that almost eyeryone finds it harder to operate one handed in the beginning and it certainly takes (a lot) more practice than a linerlock or especially a comp. lock till it gets "natural".

BUT: IF one already feels that the backlock is "second nature" as you say (and for me it is too), I think it´s the way to go, especially if you want to carry the knife unclipped in the pocket.
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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby Ric » Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:36 pm

I definitely recommend experiencing a compression lock.
You have to use it to see if you like or not.

Honestly, I would not buy a LC200N folder at the moment.
Maybe a Siren (guard looks too big to me) or the Native (too small for you).
I bought the Waterway, but it gets not much use.

I would wait for reveal 5/6 if there is a nice LC200N folder.

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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby Sumdumguy » Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:40 pm

Ric wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:09 pm
Why not the Caribbean?
This is the answer, always.

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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby Marulaghost » Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:16 pm

I love my chef. It's an absolutely fantastic knife.
But i think i must agree with everyone if you're going without a clip. Backlocks are better if you're going that route. Honestly i might even recommend going with a Pacific salt SE if you can find one and can't wait

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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby Sharp Guy » Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:21 pm

I like the blade shape better on the Siren
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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby ugaarguy » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:20 pm

My size XL hands are just a little bit cramped on my SpydieChef, but I can comfortably use a Chap, Sage, or Native 5. I like the idea of the Siren, but I'm worried that the guard sitting so far back on the handle is going to make the grip a bit too small like on my 'Chef. I'd deal with the yellow handle getting grimy (or just dye it) and get a Native 5 Salt.

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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby VooDooChild » Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:10 am

Im also going to say siren but I cant be sure until I get one in hand. For what its worth the chef is a very good overall design. But Goldens backlocks are on another level and the siren will be a larger folder as well. Should be a good knife.
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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby ChrisinHove » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:12 am

ugaarguy wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:20 pm
My size XL hands are just a little bit cramped on my SpydieChef, but I can comfortably use a Chap, Sage, or Native 5. I like the idea of the Siren, but I'm worried that the guard sitting so far back on the handle is going to make the grip a bit too small like on my 'Chef.
Me too. Exactly. I didn’t keep the Spydiechef as a consequence.

The (fixed) Waterway is a great fit, however.

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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby Xplorer » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:27 am

gdwtvb wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:05 pm
....I'm wanting to add another knife that can double as a larger EDC option as well as give me the benefits of super rust resistance for when I'm at the lake....
Hi Grizz,
I have to admit up front, I'm biased. That said, what you're looking for matches Lance's design intentions for the Siren really well. It's specifically intended to be that larger EDC that's corrosion free and perfect for taking to the lake (or ocean). The added security of the auto-close function of a lockback design is perfect for carrying loose in a pocket. Additionally the handle design is roomy to begin with, plus the shape of rear of the handle allows for more hand positions and never feels "cramped". I know first hand, because I spent months holding prototypes while I was making them.

All that said, the two knives you're considering are different in quite a few ways. Among other things, they're very different handle materials and they will feel very different from each other in the hand. IMO all the practical reasons point to the Siren, but after decades of buying knives the best advice I can give you is go with your gut. If your gut is calling you to one or the other...ignore your brain and go with your gut...you'll be happy with your choice. :)

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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby bearfacedkiller » Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:04 pm

The design of the Spydiechef never appealed to me and a I also wished it was bigger.

The Siren looks brilliant and is a must have for me. I have high expectations for it and I think I will be pleased.
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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby Enactive » Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:55 pm

My excitement for the Siren is slightly diminished by the big finger guard. The same has been true of the Waterway for me. I did come very close to buying a Waterway a couple of times.

I totally see why the guard is there, and for the application why Lance designed it that way.

I've learned that i don't mostly need or care for fingerguards on knives. I think this comes from decades of using Mora knives so much.

I may get a Waterway and/ or a Siren anyhow, and maybe I'll even start fishing again! They are both very nice designs and I love my LC200N. :spyder: :cool:

Back on topic, I think Chad offers good advice to follow your gut here.

Clinton and Slysz are both outstanding designers!

Also very cool that Chad made prototype(s) for Lance and Spyderco! :D
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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby gdwtvb » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:29 pm

I always appreciate the advice and tone on the Spyderco forums! Thanks.

I'll be getting a Siren.

Thanks again.

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Re: Siren v/s Spydiechef

Postby The Meat man » Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:54 pm

gdwtvb wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:29 pm
I always appreciate the advice and tone on the Spyderco forums! Thanks.

I'll be getting a Siren.

Thanks again.

Grizz
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