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GarageBoy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:53 pm
Is the hype there BECAUSE they're an exclusive?
How does a retailer gauge the success?

Every year Spyderco whips out a few knives that end up discontinued and blown out on sale - the rex45/pakkawood shaman actually took a few days to clear out, and those flippers are making $40 at most...
My guess is they ordered a big run, though. That solves a lot of these issues (from the consumer end, at least). But then you see the Fradon Lock delica, which presumably was also a big order, and has been around for ages and marked down multiple times. A big run is a big risk for dealers.
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I agree that everyone needs to calm themselves.
I get that the fear of missing out is real.
I also get that dealers have a fear of not hitting an exclusive out of the park.
I kinda like the idea of batches.

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DukeNiemand wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:58 pm
I think it depends on the steel. Anything in 3V, Cruwear or 4V sells instantly. Knives in K390 and M390 also sell very fast. But on the other hand, the first Rex 45 sprints from 2018 took over a year to sell out. This new batch of Rex 45 sprints seem to be selling faster. I suspect that's because of Shawn's videos that highlighted the edge stability of Rex 45.
Not entirely true. The cruwear/smooth g10 native at knife center hung around for weeks or months.
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Notsurewhy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:51 pm
DukeNiemand wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:58 pm
I think it depends on the steel. Anything in 3V, Cruwear or 4V sells instantly. Knives in K390 and M390 also sell very fast. But on the other hand, the first Rex 45 sprints from 2018 took over a year to sell out. This new batch of Rex 45 sprints seem to be selling faster. I suspect that's because of Shawn's videos that highlighted the edge stability of Rex 45.
Not entirely true. The cruwear/smooth g10 native at knife center hung around for weeks or months.
Fair. The native is less popular. I was thinking of the Shaman sprints in Cruwear, 3V, and 4V that all sold out fast.
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If that Native had anything but smooth, black G10...it would have been gone in a day.
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DukeNiemand wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:58 pm
I think it depends on the steel. Anything in 3V, Cruwear or 4V sells instantly. Knives in K390 and M390 also sell very fast. But on the other hand, the first Rex 45 sprints from 2018 took over a year to sell out. This new batch of Rex 45 sprints seem to be selling faster. I suspect that's because of Shawn's videos that highlighted the edge stability of Rex 45.
Really? From what I remember, all three routinely sold out within minutes of being in stock. Especially the PM2 and Para 3.
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i own one exclusive. it’s the knifecenter xhp manix 2 lw. i bought it pretty early on after my return to spyderco before this was such a problem. i don’t think it sold well because i had time to think about it. it was really a no-brainer though since it was only about $5 more than the bd1 version. i’m glad i have it, but i doubt i’ll ever take part in any others. i wouldn’t have this manix if it had gone anything like the more recent exclusives.
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You're right, it is intentional. I don't understand why people don't realize that not everyone gets an exclusive/sprint; only so many are made = not everyone gets one. I missed every single Rex-45 sprint yet I didn't complain because that's life. Do people not realize that Spyderco is literally the only production knife company putting out these configurations we all want and we want that to stop??? Yeah, it would be nice if everyone could get every sprint/exclusive but that's not possible if you have any sort of common sense when it comes to running a business.
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I don’t think anyone wants the sprints to stop, but surely they want larger quantities. That makes it more likely that AFIs will get one and it reduces the incentive for the flippers, i.e. better supply, lower profit potential.

Anyway, the current system seems to cause more grief than joy, so something has to give.
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semfi1345 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:20 pm
You're right, it is intentional. I don't understand why people don't realize that not everyone gets an exclusive/sprint; only so many are made = not everyone gets one. I missed every single Rex-45 sprint yet I didn't complain because that's life. Do people not realize that Spyderco is literally the only production knife company putting out these configurations we all want and we want that to stop??? Yeah, it would be nice if everyone could get every sprint/exclusive but that's not possible if you have any sort of common sense when it comes to running a business.
Yeah go figure. The whole thread seems kind of silly to me. This company keeps putting out really popular dealer exclusives and it needs to stop because everyone can't get one. I still think if they gave out participation awards there wouldn't be so many sad faces.
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The Meat man wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:53 pm
DukeNiemand wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:58 pm
I think it depends on the steel. Anything in 3V, Cruwear or 4V sells instantly. Knives in K390 and M390 also sell very fast. But on the other hand, the first Rex 45 sprints from 2018 took over a year to sell out. This new batch of Rex 45 sprints seem to be selling faster. I suspect that's because of Shawn's videos that highlighted the edge stability of Rex 45.
Really? From what I remember, all three routinely sold out within minutes of being in stock. Especially the PM2 and Para 3.
The Millie Rex 45 took a long time to sell out. I got mine last summer, about a year after they dropped.
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So, to recap. A fair number of people "want what they want, when they want it, with the least effort on their part, and as cheap as possible". At least it seems that way to me from what's been said in this thread and another recent one.

There is a solution for anyone who wants "first dibs" on Sprints and Exclusives, it's called the Silver Level of the Spyderco Collectors Club. The downside is that you have to buy all of them, not just the ones you feel entitled to own. You also have to buy the "base model" of every new knife Spyderco produces. Of course, you're free to sell off the knives you don't want to keep. There's also the fact that all the knives will have your CC number on them, which some here hate. On the upside, you are guaranteed to get every knife you want and, since you are committing to buy all these knives from your chosen dealer, you might be able to negotiate a price lower than MAP for at least some of them if you shop dealers before joining the club.
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sal wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:12 pm
It's a problem for us as well. We have numerous companies wanting exclusives....far more than you currently see. We always encourage them to make larger amounts, but they are afraid of getting stuck with inventory.

Kelly, our Director of Sales and Marketing has been dealing with this issue quite a bit lately. Naturally, we're always open to suggestions. Good ideas are always good ideas.

I'll bring this thread to the attention of sales.

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I personally believe the solution is to keep sprint/exclusives as is.

However, at the same time develop a Spyderco "custom shop" option like how Benchmade does. Basically allow people to configure certain knives the way they want (within limits) - scale colour, blade steel, etc. The only difference would be to sell these factory custom knives at full MSRP prices directly off of the Spyderco website.

Then if someone misses out on a dealer exclusive at the lower price, the option is still out there for them to essentially build the same knife. Of course this would be at a higher price point if sold at MSRP, but this price would no doubt be much lower than the Ebay flipper prices. This would then kill off the practice of flippers buying up dealer exclusives for the sole purpose of flipping at a much inflated price.

Even with a custom shop option - I think that people will still flock to the dealer exclusives in their present volumes, due to the lower prices.
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sal wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:12 pm
It's a problem for us as well. We have numerous companies wanting exclusives....far more than you currently see. We always encourage them to make larger amounts, but they are afraid of getting stuck with inventory.

Kelly, our Director of Sales and Marketing has been dealing with this issue quite a bit lately. Naturally, we're always open to suggestions. Good ideas are always good ideas.

I'll bring this thread to the attention of sales.

sal
Sal if I could buy some of the steel and model configurations at leisure I would buy more Knives. It’s not the handle colour that annoys me missing out it’s the knife
ie: make the handle colour and steel a sprint for company whoever but make a black handle and steel available also.

It kills me now days to see so many threads here about knives I can’t even buy.

Don’t get me wrong love your product, but feel I’m excluded from more than half of the good stuff
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Part of the fun is going after knives that I want in limited configurations. I also buy regular production models. I enjoy the hobby immensely. I do get a little frustrated when a particular knife is only available from some place difficult or impossible fir me to buy from. Otherwise, I am as happy as a fat hog in a deep mud puddle.
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Hopweaver wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:55 am
For the past few years I have skipped all of the 'short supply, sprint, flash, sell out in a day exclusive' batches. Maybe I'm too old for it, maybe I just don't care, maybe I don't need something that special to cut my steak. Whatever the reason, I simply decided to get off the ride.

However I'm not going to suggest Spyderco change their process just to suit me. There are lots of people in this community and some people like the thrill of the chase. For those that do, they should be able to have their fun too.
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JRinFL wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:47 pm
I don’t think anyone wants the sprints to stop, but surely they want larger quantities. That makes it more likely that AFIs will get one and it reduces the incentive for the flippers, i.e. better supply, lower profit potential.

Anyway, the current system seems to cause more grief than joy, so something has to give.
Well said. I will add Sal appears to agree with this also from some of his most recent posts and have faith he will untangle this mess.

It is very strange the Department Stores like Sear refuses to stock Product, the internet came along and the retailers with physical locations still refused to carry stock of advertised items preferring to say we can order that for you.

Many of these long time retailers like Circuit City no longer exist. Sears is rapidly evaporating.

I call it the Death Cry of the retailer, “We can order it for you” 6 little words.

Clearly the time to sell is when the customer is present willing to buy. When the customer can order it for themselves who needs Sears?

They did it to themselves.

Now we have all these internet essentially mail order entities and they are pulling the same crap. They do not want to take the associated risk that comes with business so they take their business degrees and hatch their schemes.

They order short quantities on purpose because they don’t want to get stuck with product that does not move.

By way of explaining this it is supposed to be alright??

Wow talk about snowflake society that buys into justification being a sufficient reason for anything so long as you can explain it away.

Seems to me as Sal has been busy crafting creating designing and going to shows and running a business that the outlets who I call the tail have been waging the dog which is Spyderco.

They remind me of the retailers, they should be worried if Spyderco does crowd sourced funding for designs having the money up front to remove their risk and drop these middlemen selling direct they are done for.

Just to be clear I do not care about online sellers they are not necessary and any crying about having too much stock does not impress me at all.

Shipping receiving sending orders is all they want to do for a profit, without risk, hmm must be nice, sorry but I have no feeling for any sellers.

All respect to Spyderco, they just don’t need retailers ticking off their repeat customer base.

I think it is time for Spyderco to say look you order this amount or you do not get it and those that will not, get dropped in favor of those that will. I think their are too many resellers these days anyway and they have all gotten spoiled.

How many online sellers does one need anyway? I am pretty sure that this is a side business to many.

I can only think of 4 off hand that I buy from repeatedly and quite honestly if only 1 had the Spyderco knives I buy then that would be even better.
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semfi1345 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:20 pm
You're right, it is intentional. I don't understand why people don't realize that not everyone gets an exclusive/sprint; only so many are made = not everyone gets one. I missed every single Rex-45 sprint yet I didn't complain because that's life. Do people not realize that Spyderco is literally the only production knife company putting out these configurations we all want and we want that to stop??? Yeah, it would be nice if everyone could get every sprint/exclusive but that's not possible if you have any sort of common sense when it comes to running a business.
I'll add... Sypderco doesn't have infinite production capacity. Could they devote that capacity so that retailer X can have 2,000 units of their exclusive? Sure, but the consequence is retailer Y doesn't get to have an exclusive. I'd rather have more choices than less. Life is too short to whine about things like this.

Plus for all we know, the retailers prefer the small batches. The amount of marketing and hype it appears to generate (just look at all the wasted energy expended on this forum) has to be worth far more than ever could be achieved through other means.
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