POLL: What serrated model would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

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What would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

FFG Endura SE (WITH liners, VG 10)
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FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (NO liners, LC200N)
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POLL: What serrated model would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby Wartstein » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:40 am

As some may have noticed ( ;) ) I am totally blown away by the performance of the serrated EndELa
Unlike the serrated EndURa (sabre grind), the serrated EndELa comes in ffg, which imho makes it a better performer.

So I really wish for an ffg Endura SE (same serration pattern as the Endela SE) - in VG10

Tonijedi (and others) brought up the suggestion of a ffg Pac Salt 2 SE - in LC200N
The handle would be shaped exactly like the Endura 4 handle, just linerless and a bit thicker (as it is the case with the Pac Salt 2 handle compared to the Endura 4 handle)

I really can´t tell which model I´d prefer, both would be great!

What would be your choice? Which one should Spyderco produce if it was up to you?

(I thought about adding a third option: Endura (so with liners) ffg SE, but in LC200N - but I think this one is very unlikely to ever come true)
Last edited by Wartstein on Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:17 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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Re: POLL: What would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby VooDooChild » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:48 am

Niether to be honest. My foliage green endura 4 and my pacific salts are my work and beater knives, and alot of that is from the saber/hollow grind. The tip just doesnt worry me on those models.

But, for your thread I will go with the salt option because I like the advantages the salt series offers.

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Re: POLL: What would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby cycleguy » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:58 am

Being the Delica nut I am, this is an easy one - Salt 2 all the way!!!

However, I am fine with SE in H1, and don't see a need for a FFG SE vs the current offering.

I would like to see a Salt 2 PE LC200N! It would be a must buy (prefer the yellow handle but black would be ok too).

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Re: POLL: What would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby James Y » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:46 am

Between the two, I’d take the Pac Salt 2 in LC200N, in PE or SE.

And I like and have some Endura 4’s already. Of course, none in FFG SE. But IMO, an LC200N, FFG Pac Salt 2 would be phenomenal.

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Re: POLL: What would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby dsvirsky » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:54 am

Pac Salt, since I prefer linerless.

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Re: POLL: What would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby 5-by-5 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:14 am

I have a couple Enduras. I need a Pac salt2

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Re: POLL: What would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby tonijedi » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:18 am

cycleguy wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:58 am
Being the Delica nut I am, this is an easy one - Salt 2 all the way!!!

However, I am fine with SE in H1, and don't see a need for a FFG SE vs the current offering.

I would like to see a Salt 2 PE LC200N! It would be a must buy (prefer the yellow handle but black would be ok too).

CG
I would like to see PE and SE LC200N in the Salt 2. It's my dream knife.

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Re: POLL: What would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby Wartstein » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:25 am

tonijedi wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:18 am
cycleguy wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:58 am
Being the Delica nut I am, this is an easy one - Salt 2 all the way!!!

However, I am fine with SE in H1, and don't see a need for a FFG SE vs the current offering.

I would like to see a Salt 2 PE LC200N! It would be a must buy (prefer the yellow handle but black would be ok too).

CG
I would like to see PE and SE LC200N in the Salt 2. It's my dream knife.

And certainly in ffg, right?!
Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40

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Re: POLL: What would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby tonijedi » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:29 am

Wartstein wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:25 am
tonijedi wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:18 am
cycleguy wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:58 am
Being the Delica nut I am, this is an easy one - Salt 2 all the way!!!

However, I am fine with SE in H1, and don't see a need for a FFG SE vs the current offering.

I would like to see a Salt 2 PE LC200N! It would be a must buy (prefer the yellow handle but black would be ok too).

CG
I would like to see PE and SE LC200N in the Salt 2. It's my dream knife.

And certainly in ffg, right?!
Right, but not replacing the hollow grind H1

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Re: POLL: What would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby Evil D » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:35 am

FFG everything, and I trust the Salt handle enough to live without liners. If I want a stronger knife I'll use my Caribbean.
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Re: POLL: What would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby Wartstein » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:48 pm

Well, it seems a Pac Salt FFG SE is the "winner" so far... ;)

I still could not decide. I like the E4 handle shape, don´t really care if liners or not, for me it is all about the BLADE and its performance. Just exactly like on the Endela SE, except longer...

VG10 in SE performs great, but if you look at Davids / Evil Ds "serrated Caribbean torture test" thread (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85045) LC200N does so either (if not even better).

So I´d be fine with either of those steels (don´t need the total rustproofness of LC)
Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40

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Re: POLL: What serrated model would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby Bill1170 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:29 pm

I voted SE LC200N FFG Pacific Salt. From my understanding, the SE performance is similar to VG-10, and why turn down that Salt goodness of being rustproof?

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Re: POLL: What serrated model would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby Sumdumguy » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:09 am

I choose LC200N AND liners!

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Re: POLL: What serrated model would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby Wartstein » Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:29 am

Sumdumguy wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:09 am
I choose LC200N AND liners!

Right, would be cool, and as said in my op I thought about adding that choice!
But then I figured it is very unlikely to come true (LINERED Pac Salt with LC200 N blade)

While an ffg SE Endura should be not too hard to make: They have the handle already, they have the ffg blade, they have the perfect serration pattern already in the sligjtly shorter, otherwise simillar EndELa blade...
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Re: POLL: What serrated model would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby Evil D » Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:12 am

Sumdumguy wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:09 am
I choose LC200N AND liners!

I really don't see that happening unless they decided to make an Endura with LC. This issue with other steels mixing and causing corrosion would mean they'd have to make the liners out of LC too, and that'll drive the price up to Caribbean range, which might be a hard sale for an Endura.
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Re: POLL: What serrated model would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby Sumdumguy » Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:28 am

Evil D wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:12 am
Sumdumguy wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:09 am
I choose LC200N AND liners!

I really don't see that happening unless they decided to make an Endura with LC. This issue with other steels mixing and causing corrosion would mean they'd have to make the liners out of LC too, and that'll drive the price up to Caribbean range, which might be a hard sale for an Endura.
I doubt it would be that high, I imagine around $130 would be the final number. Call it the Pacific 2 HW. Infact, why not a whole line of HWs?

Knives for fatties... wait... maybe someone else should make the slogan. :p

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Re: POLL: What serrated model would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby Evil D » Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:52 am

Sumdumguy wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:28 am
Evil D wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:12 am
Sumdumguy wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:09 am
I choose LC200N AND liners!

I really don't see that happening unless they decided to make an Endura with LC. This issue with other steels mixing and causing corrosion would mean they'd have to make the liners out of LC too, and that'll drive the price up to Caribbean range, which might be a hard sale for an Endura.
I doubt it would be that high, I imagine around $130 would be the final number. Call it the Pacific 2 HW. Infact, why not a whole line of HWs?

Knives for fatties... wait... maybe someone else should make the slogan. :p

For the record I'm all for LC in everything so I'd support it.
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Re: POLL: What serrated model would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby Sumdumguy » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:32 am

Evil D wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:52 am
Sumdumguy wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:28 am
Evil D wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:12 am
Sumdumguy wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:09 am
I choose LC200N AND liners!

I really don't see that happening unless they decided to make an Endura with LC. This issue with other steels mixing and causing corrosion would mean they'd have to make the liners out of LC too, and that'll drive the price up to Caribbean range, which might be a hard sale for an Endura.
I doubt it would be that high, I imagine around $130 would be the final number. Call it the Pacific 2 HW. Infact, why not a whole line of HWs?

Knives for fatties... wait... maybe someone else should make the slogan. :p

For the record I'm all for LC in everything so I'd support it.
It really has been an incredible steel. I'd buy most any model in LC200N(as many as my bank account will allow).

VG-10, while being one of my favorite steels, has been obliterated by LC200N. I still have many knives in VG-10 and I would never pass on a knife because of it having VG-10.

But, if there's an option for LC200N... I'm like, "VG-who?".

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Re: POLL: What serrated model would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby Jazz » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:53 am

Green handled, Salt 2 and Pacific, FFG, LC200N - but I'm really Jonesin' for the Salt 2 in PE and SE.
- best wishes, Jazz.

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Re: POLL: What serrated model would you prefer: FFG Endura SE (liners, VG10) or FFG Pac Salt 2 SE (no liners, LC200N)?

Postby Wartstein » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:22 am

Just some pics for illustration:

As said, I personally don´t care if in an linered or unlinered handle, and wether it´s VG10 or LC200N:

I´d just love to see the exact same serration pattern as the Endela (knife in the middle in pic 1) has in the exact same ffg, except longer, Endura blade...
(pic 1 (obviously anyway):
Top: Pac Salt (hollow/sabre grind, more aggressive serrations), Middle: Endela SE (ffg, very shallow serrations), bottom: Endura ffg (PE, not SE..unfortunately.. :D )

Pic 2: Comparison serration pattern Pac Salt SE vs Endela SE

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