Paramilitary XL (Para 4) vs Military 2

[KingRat]

Military 2. Stop Lock. Just like drawing in the Stop Lock patent of yesteryear.

[KingRat]

Military 2. Stop Lock. Just like drawing in the Stop Lock patent of yesteryear.

Please do not change the clip. Military clip >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All other clips.

[5-by-5]

I’d like to see a stop-lock or power-lock Millie. I’d prefer the latter but there’s never been talk of it, like the stop-lock.

Call it a 2 ‘cause the original is fine the way it is, as is the PM2.

My curiosity about other locks in the Millie does not extend to the compression-lock.

LOL agreed no comp lock

[5-by-5]

I’ve used my Military that I got a couple weeks back, and it’s great. But I sure do find myself reaching for a compression lock that isn’t there pretty frequently.

That's actually a very good point.
It MIGHT be (just a theory though), that one of the aspects that make people like the comp. lock over the linerlock just lies in the fact, that in the "mid and upper range" Spyderco offers vastly more comp.lock than linerlock knives, and so people are just more used to the former? And thus feel unfamiliar with using a linerlock knife when they finally get one?
Again, maybe nonsense, just a thought.

I think this only applies to Para2 fanboys. There are and have beenmore liner locks and frame locks for over 25 years than complocks

[5-by-5]

My 0.02 € on pocket clip:
Clip on today's Millie is like Ford model T colour, you can have any colour you want, but it is going to be black.
So you can have any clip placement you want, but it is going to be tip down right hand.

I don't mind another set of holes drilled in handle, so 4 way clip on Military 2 is ok for me.

Disagree. The Mili is a half frame liner design with a specialty curved clip. This is not a conspiracy

[5-by-5]

I would rather it be a Paramilitary 4 than a Military 2. Because if it’s a Military 2, I don’t really see Spyderco keeping the current liner lock Military. I’m fairly sure that the PM2 and PM3 outsell the Military due to size. Every single Spyderco does not necessarily need to have the same lock. With a PM4 AND the liner lock Military, at least there is a choice between the two. Those who don’t like the Military’s liner lock can simply buy the PM4 and not buy the Military. Problem solved.

Jim

Agreed 100%

[James Y]

My very first locking folder, which I got way back in the late 1970s, was a Schrade Old Timer folding hunter with a brass liner lock. The liner lock was really there as a backup safety feature to the strong back spring. Then I got a Craftsman single-bladed trapper with the same type of lock. So when the Walker liner lock came out, though the design was different from the old-style liner locks (only the liner was holding the blade open, with no back spring and was one-handed operation), it wasn’t anything particularly new or mind-blowing to me.

As I’ve said before, I vote to keep the Military a liner lock and have a PM4 for those who must have a compression lock at all costs. I like the compression lock, but I neither want nor need to have it on every single folder I own.

Jim

[5-by-5]

I really hope the Military 2 is not used. Like how the Lil chokwe was renamed.

The Police 4 is so different it should have been named the Military Police

[Pancake]

Disagree. The Mili is a half frame liner design with a specialty curved clip. This is not a conspiracy

I was talking about clip placement, not clip itself. Curved or not, you better like tip up right hand carry, or you can get out.

And that explanation that it don't have liner on the back so it can't have 4 way clip is getting old, my Native Chief has no liners and has 4 way clip....

5-by-5, why do you don't like compression lock?

[Wartstein]

I would rather it be a Paramilitary 4 than a Military 2. Because if it’s a Military 2, I don’t really see Spyderco keeping the current liner lock Military. I’m fairly sure that the PM2 and PM3 outsell the Military due to size. Every single Spyderco does not necessarily need to have the same lock. With a PM4 AND the liner lock Military, at least there is a choice between the two. Those who don’t like the Military’s liner lock can simply buy the PM4 and not buy the Military. Problem solved.

Jim

Perfectly said.

[Pancake]

Pm4, Military 2, call it what you want, I am looking forward for this one.

[Wartstein]

Pm4, Military 2, call it what you want, I am looking forward for this one.

So you're thinking about actually skipping the "real", "battle prooven", linerlock Millie?! :eek: ...

[Pancake]

Pm4, Military 2, call it what you want, I am looking forward for this one.

So you're thinking about actually skipping the "real", "battle prooven", linerlock Millie?! :eek: ...

If I could buy a sprint run of the original version then yes, but I have my doubts if there will be a sprint run in the future. ....might as well wait for the ,,2,, .

[Larry_Mott]

I would rather it be a Paramilitary 4 than a Military 2. Because if it’s a Military 2, I don’t really see Spyderco keeping the current liner lock Military. I’m fairly sure that the PM2 and PM3 outsell the Military due to size. Every single Spyderco does not necessarily need to have the same lock. With a PM4 AND the liner lock Military, at least there is a choice between the two. Those who don’t like the Military’s liner lock can simply buy the PM4 and not buy the Military. Problem solved.

Jim

Perfectly said.

Aye, and the solution i dearly hope they will go for!

[Pancake]

Aye, and the solution i dearly hope they will go for!

Yes, at least for some time this is a good idea.
IIRC , original Para-Military and PM2 coexist for some time....and then market decided that PM2 is better.....so let people (and thier wallets) decide.

[Evil D]

Hard for me to see a line up with 1) standard Military 2) Military with CL 3) Military with X lock 4) Para 4 in Military size and then 5) Police 4 which is already close to being a back lock Military.

Hello this is the Department of Redundancy, Redundancy Department.

[Wartstein]

Hard for me to see a line up with 1) standard Military 2) Military with CL 3) Military with X lock 4) Para 4 in Military size and then 5) Police 4 which is already close to being a back lock Military.

Hello this is the Department of Redundancy, Redundancy Department.

Right... that's why I think your original proposal of (just) TWO options is perfect!
Keep the Millie as it is and as a rare hig end big folder linerlock (lightweight) Spydie.

Make the PM 4, though roughly Millie sized, different in MORE aspects than just the lock (maybe full liners, heftier feel; maybe a bit taller blade and by that geometry a bit sturdier tip. 4 way clip anyway, and so on...)

[Mushroom]

So if I'm understanding this correctly, after more than a decade of waiting for a Military 2 people are now saying forget about that, we want a Paramilitary 4 instead?

:rolleyes: <-- If that face could talk, it would be screaming right now.

Hard for me to see a line up with 1) standard Military 2) Military with CL 3) Military with X lock 4) Para 4 in Military size and then 5) Police 4 which is already close to being a back lock Military.

Hello this is the Department of Redundancy, Redundancy Department.

QFT! 200% true!

[KingRat]

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6918184.pdf

Drawings in patent.

[5-by-5]

I would rather it be a Paramilitary 4 than a Military 2. Because if it’s a Military 2, I don’t really see Spyderco keeping the current liner lock Military. I’m fairly sure that the PM2 and PM3 outsell the Military due to size. Every single Spyderco does not necessarily need to have the same lock. With a PM4 AND the liner lock Military, at least there is a choice between the two. Those who don’t like the Military’s liner lock can simply buy the PM4 and not buy the Military. Problem solved.

Jim

Perfectly said.

Aye, and the solution i dearly hope they will go for!

Agreed