With pleasure!Wartstein wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:04 pmNot saying you´re wrong (how could I, don´t have either a Caribbean or - of course - a Siren), but just out of interest: How do you come to the conclusion "Siren is not even close" when it comes to abuse (in real knife use)?Sumdumguy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:51 pmNot even close to being in the same category. The Caribbean is a heavy duty workhorse that can withstand extreme abuse, while the Siren is a folding version of a fixed blade designed specifically for fishing.
(plus it has a funky, large guard/choil thingy)
The Caribbean, while not everyone's cup of tea, is a different animal and will certainly "outperform" the Siren.
Not bashing the Siren, I'll probably buy one. But it's like comparing a Ford Ranger, to an F-250. They are on different playing fields.
- Both feature the same steel.
- Certainly the Caribbean has a bit thicker blade stock than the Siren (3.6mm vs 3.2 mm) - imho not a relevant difference in real use (never, ever came even close to break an ffg Endura blade (3.00 mm)
- Certainly the Caribbean tip will be more robust,but just slightly
- On the other hand theoretically the Siren backlock will be a bit stronger than the Caribbean comp.lock - again, not relevant at all in real use, both more than strong enough
- Caribbean has liners, Siren not. Again, certainly the Caribbean will finally be stronger if the stability handles are pushed to the extrem, but in practical, even hardest use it won´t make a real difference
Tbh, I don´t think you´ll find many realistic tasks where the Siren will fail, but the Caribbean will not.
And I don´t think they are literally "on different playing fields"
But again, that´s just my assumptions! Can´t really weigh in, since I don´t have either of this knives.
But as said, I´d be interested in your thought process if you´d like to share.
With average use, you probably wouldn't notice the difference. They will both function as a folding knife should.
However, when you go beyond the threshold of "average", differences will start to become more apparent. Handle flex would be the first issue I would notice and I don't like that feeling(Renegade was sold for that reason).
After that, I would imagine the pivot to be the next spot to suffer possible distortion(you'd blow out the pivot long before the lock would explode).
Let's go for broke and compare the tensile strength of the two materials as liners. G10 has an ultimate tensile strength of around 300MPa, whereas LC200N's is 2150MPa. That means LC200N takes ~717% more force to reach it's breaking point than G10.
Now let's compare that with the weight savings. The Caribbean weighs 4.2oz in all it's beefy, steel lined glory. The Siren, with it's lack of liners weighs 3.6oz. That means the Caribbean is ~17% heavier than the Siren, with a pivot strength that is 717% greater. Is the weight savings worth it? Not to me.
Granted I'm probably leaving out several variables such as material thickness and whatnot, but it still demonstrates how great of a difference there can be between two seemingly equal knives.
When it comes down to it, the knife I carry in my pocket, is likely the only knife I'm going to have at hand in an emergency situation. That is where the limits of the knife might be tested. I want the stronger one.
It's better to have and not need, than to need and not have.