Straight Razor from Spyderco

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby Mike Blue » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:11 am

JacksonKnives wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:43 pm
...Mike, who else has been making Bainite razors? ...
There are few custom razor makers compared to the number of custom knifemakers . I'll admit that making a razor is something all of them could do, but making a razor is definitely not the same as making a knife. I found this out by building friendships with a number of knowledgable people who are razor afficianados. I thought I knew a few things then, but I found out I really had to revisit what I thought I knew about sharp and the dynamics of how a razor works when compared to a knife.

Within the knife world there are a number of makers who have the knowledge to heat treat a piece of steel to produce Bainite microstructures. Of those only a few with the proper equipment to do so, and the time or interest to make it happen. I'm sure i'm not the only one who has, or could, among the handful of those who can, but I"m the only one so far who persisted to this point.

This is a project that began among good friends who have shared knowledge with each other over decades. That means a lot to me.

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby Mike Blue » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:22 am

Stuart Ackerman wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:14 pm
I seldom shave now, except to clean up the edges of my beard, but every now and then I blitz the lot and start again, :)
I have a full beard. I use a straight to shave around all the edges. No modern razor can cut longer hair like a straight. I good razor simply wipes away the hair. A multi blade would clog before any meaningful work got done. They choke on even a few days of growth.

Another advantage is that my razors will likely wind up in the hands of my grandchildren's grandchildren. These blades, like that beautiful Ekilstuna razor, last generations. They don't wind up in a landfill with all the other disposable plastic and steel use a little and throw away things.

For those who enjoy the ritual and being truly in the moment, a straight razor will give you immediate feedback if you are not paying attention to the task at hand. It's a kind of meditation.

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby sal » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:30 am

Hi Jackson,

Mike, Ed and Howard are my Guru's in this project. Enormous amount of information that they have and better still, are willing to share. I plan on learning their heat treatment techniques and trying Bainite in other applications. It's an exciting project that we've been discussing for a long time.

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby Stuart Ackerman » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:41 pm

Imagine the missing folder C100 in L6 Bainite... :)

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby Mike Blue » Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:21 pm

Howard was at this recent razor meet. There were plenty of questions asked and answered. One of the attendees lives near Denver. I got to ask a lot of questions about forge performance at altitude. That helps a great deal when designing a burner for the salt pots.

My imagination has been working overtime lately too. I wouldn't say reading the Heat Treater's Guide is fun, but there are other steels capable of bainite microstructure. We will have to cull the list to develop potential candidates. O-1 is easy, meaning time, or cost effectiveness in comparision to say, L6 or 52100. Spyderco has some prior experience with O-1 and 52100. It's not difficult to make one additional step for other applications.

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby Mike Blue » Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:36 pm

To add more thoughts about Damasteel, prompted by Sal in the UKPK knife thread recently.

Sal: you're a mind reader as always! LOL.

Damasteel would be a great option for a straight razor. Testing Vanax (the clad material) against whiskers would be a useful and beautiful addition to the knowledge base of steels. So would the regular DSxx patterned material. They use some materials that have good potential. The small blade I have is Odin's Eye from the very early nineties when Damasteel was just beginning their process. I do not know the exact mixture of steels but is not a clad core. It's provenance is most likely Kay Embretsen via R. B. Johnson and then to me. It's very good material. I could easily see a pattern welded blade in a straight razor.

I don't normally work with stain resistant materials but if I did it would be either Damasteel or Devin Thomas' material.

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby dancer » Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:41 am

I've been shaving with vintage straights for about 8 years now. Sharpened on the 3×8 UF stone and stropped on leather before I shave.

I am really looking forward to this.

Given the number of steels that seem to be on the possible options list, I would LOVE if this turned into a kamisori mule project.
My wallet might hate it, but I'd be dancing in circles!

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby dancer » Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:52 am

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what is the blade width on the prototype?

I'm a big fan of shaving with an extra hollow 4/8. But I don't mind a wider blade, especially if it's damasteel!

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby Mike Blue » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:09 pm

The prototype is 8/8.

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby Sonorum » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:54 pm

If I shaved I would get one.
/ David

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby RustyIron » Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:40 pm

Sonorum wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:54 pm
If I shaved I would get one.
It's not just for your beard.

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby Pancake » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:14 am

RustyIron wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:40 pm
Sonorum wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:54 pm
If I shaved I would get one.
It's not just for your beard.
I shaved for a while with a SR (now DE only) but someone has to be way more manly than me to shave with SR in the other regions...like...armpits and down there :D :D
I can't imagine the possible damage :D
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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby Sonorum » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:33 am

Pancake wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:14 am
RustyIron wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:40 pm
Sonorum wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:54 pm
If I shaved I would get one.
It's not just for your beard.
I shaved for a while with a SR (now DE only) but someone has to be way more manly than me to shave with SR in the other regions...like...armpits and down there :D :D
I can't imagine the possible damage :D
I have to admit that I'm not confident enough in my skills to attempt that.
/ David

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby RustyIron » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:21 am

Sonorum wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:33 am

I have to admit that I'm not confident enough in my skills to attempt that.
To be honest, I"m not yet convinced it's time for me to go to a straight razor. Japanese DE blades for me. I'll continue to watch, and see what happens here.

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby sal » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:43 am

It's an adventure for sure.

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby Jgreenepa » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:40 am

I’m a new member here, but a long time wet shaver. There's definitely interest on the dedicated straight razor forums in a Spyderco Straight. I've owned Spyderco knives for decades, and would buy a Spyderco Straight as soon as it was available.

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby sal » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:25 am

Hi Jgreenepa,

Welcome to our forum.

Many projects slowed down due to COVID. It's still in the plan, but delayed.

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby bobnikon » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:46 am

This is akin to the box cutter discussion. All of these, including the regular knives, are luxury items. They are all doing something that a MUCH cheaper tool could do. But we will buy them, and use them, and rave about them. Even if we have little bits of toilet paper stuck to our face while we are doing so...

I currently use a safety razor, astra blades, and a silvertip brush. It is not the fastest, or the easiest, but I enjoy it, so why not. If there was a Spyderco straight razor, I would happily nick myself with it.

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby Tucson Tom » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:03 am

Wow, I thought this was all tongue in cheek, but maybe it is going to happen!!

It would certainly push me over the edge to risking my neck (literally) with a straight razor,
which is something I have been considering for some time.

Yes I am a safety razor man at this point, shaving with what many people would call the old fashioned double edge blades (which do a better job than all these fancy modern multi-blade systems they use to skin you out of your money).
A straight razor is the next logical step. I'll be eagerly awaiting results from this project.

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Re: Straight Razor from Spyderco

Postby Pancake » Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:11 pm

Tucson Tom wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:03 am


Yes I am a safety razor man at this point, shaving with what many people would call the old fashioned double edge blades (which do a better job than all these fancy modern multi-blade systems they use to skin you out of your money).
A straight razor is the next logical step. I'll be eagerly awaiting results from this project.
DE razors rocks!!! Fellow wetshaver here.
I have one straight razor at home, did some shaves with it, but....as a everyday shaver, it's not as convenient as a DE. DE shave could be extremely quick, I spend more time lathering up my face.
Spyderco straight razor could be cool. Am I going to buy it....maybe, it depends. If it could be shave ready out of box, it could be good. Some SR are shave ready, I heard very good things about Ralf Aust razors.
But, SR are kinda niche market, and Spyderco could have hard time competing against such SR as Thiers Issard, Ralf Aust, or vintage ones.
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