Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby Hobnob » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:58 am

Sure would like to see the Delica in K390 as a production model. If not it sure would be nice a have a larger quantity of sprints produced.

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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby blendergasket » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:25 am

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Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:14 pm
The plan is for a sprint series. I'd like to do all of the models in the "Endura family". I'd be intrested in what additional blade configs you wight also like?

sal
I'd buy a stretch and dragonfly in K390. Possibly an endura too.

I love the color of the K390 ladybug and I hope the Sprint follows that color scheme.

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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby abbazaba » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:25 am

I will likely buy them all, but it would be nice to see a straight spine stretch in the mix.

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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby Jazz » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:44 am

sal wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:14 pm
I'd be intrested in what additional blade configs you wight also like?

sal

Please do the Delica wharncliffe. For some reason, I really like that knife a lot. ;)
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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby TomAiello » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:23 am

kennethsime wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:37 pm
steelcity16 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:34 am
Mushroom wrote:
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I can't recall if it was ever said whether or not the entire K390 Endura Family will be sprint or regular production but, the K390 Ladybug in Reveal 4 is listed as a new regular production model.

If that's any indication for the rest of the K390 Endura family, I would guess they'll be regular production. :spyder:

(This is just speculation though)


I agree with this assessment! I would think maybe ZDP-189 will be phased out in favor of production K390. Looking forward to the Delica, Endura, and Dragonfly. I'll grab my first Endela as well if this one happens.

I really hope they don't do that! I love ZDP-189, and British racing green is one of my favorites.
Ditto. I love K390, perhaps even more, but I don't want to lose ZDP. The ZDP Dragonfly is a go-to knife for me. I've gifted at least 10 of them. I guess I might need to stock up. :)

On the other hand, I'm super excited for a K390 Dragonfly.

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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby kennethsime » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:48 am

sal wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:14 pm
The plan is for a sprint series. I'd like to do all of the models in the "Endura family". I'd be intrested in what additional blade configs you wight also like?

sal
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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby Cambertree » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:56 am

sal wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:14 pm
The plan is for a sprint series. I'd like to do all of the models in the "Endura family". I'd be intrested in what additional blade configs you wight also like?

sal
I'd like to see the Delica and Dragonfly Wharncliffes in K390 too.

The HAP40 Jazzlica is one of my most used work knives. A K390 version would be amazing.

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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby Wartstein » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:05 am

Cambertree wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:56 am
sal wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:14 pm
The plan is for a sprint series. I'd like to do all of the models in the "Endura family". I'd be intrested in what additional blade configs you wight also like?

sal
I'd like to see the Delica and Dragonfly Wharncliffes in K390 too.

The HAP40 Jazzlica is one of my most used work knives. A K390 version would be amazing.

Do you think K390 would be a proper steel for a serrated version of the Wharnie Delica too? Or are serrations better kept in a "softer" steel like VG10? (I can remember something along the lines that ZDP turned out to be TOO hard (brittle?) to become a main steel for serrated edges, so the ZDP SE Spydies where discountinued).
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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby Foghorne » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:50 pm

Cambertree wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:56 am

I'd like to see the Delica and Dragonfly Wharncliffes in K390 too.
I would like multiples of those two knives. Hope plenty get made.

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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby GarageBoy » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:37 pm

Wait, so the ladybug is the only non Sprint?

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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby ABX2011 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:50 pm

GarageBoy wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:37 pm
Wait, so the ladybug is the only non Sprint?
I'm confused too. Would seem odd if only the Ladybug K390 is regular production.

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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby steelcity16 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:10 am

Cambertree wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:56 am
sal wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:14 pm
The plan is for a sprint series. I'd like to do all of the models in the "Endura family". I'd be intrested in what additional blade configs you wight also like?

sal
I'd like to see the Delica and Dragonfly Wharncliffes in K390 too.

Yes to these!
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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby Wartstein » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:25 am

Foghorne wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:50 pm
Cambertree wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:56 am

I'd like to see the Delica and Dragonfly Wharncliffes in K390 too.
I would like multiples of those two knives. Hope plenty get made.
Perhaps 1200 per model? In any case less than 1500 I assume. Though lately there where hints that Spyderco is thinking about maybe raising the available numbers of (some?) sprint runs.

In any case I´d hope no one will grab "multiple" of one sprint model, so that anyone who is interested can at least get one or two... ;)
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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby Cambertree » Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:44 pm

Wartstein wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:05 am
Do you think K390 would be a proper steel for a serrated version of the Wharnie Delica too? Or are serrations better kept in a "softer" steel like VG10? (I can remember something along the lines that ZDP turned out to be TOO hard (brittle?) to become a main steel for serrated edges, so the ZDP SE Spydies where discountinued).
Hey Wartstein, thanks for the question, my friend. :)

I’ve wondered the same thing myself. I presume Spyderco do pretty extensive R&D testing of all the steels they use, including trying out prototype mules in SE to see how they perform.

Although I’m no expert on serrated edges, I very much like the performance of the ones I have in ingot stainless steels at around the 59 Rc mark (or perhaps less in the case of H1).

We all know the virtues of H1 in SE, but I think Ginsanko/G1 in my UKPK makes an excellent serrated edge, being relatively tough in practical use, and easy to bring to razor sharpness.

VG10 is probably my favourite SE steel I’ve tried so far.

By most accounts LC200N and CTS BD1N seem to be excellent performers in SE as well. Although I haven’t tried either, I have an SE Caribbean on my ‘long list’ to complement my PE version, and have a SE Z-Cut currently on the way to Australia, so I can play with CTS BD1N in SE.

All these steels sit in a fairly similar kind of performance niche.

I’d guess there’s a reason why Spyderco don’t offer SE blades in S110V. You also don’t tend to hear that many accolades about S30V in SE - I’m not saying it isn’t a good performer in SE, just that you don’t tend to hear the same volume of praise you do compared to, say, HI SE.

I think I recall too Sal might have said ZDP189 wasn’t ideal for SE blades.

Those SE edges are ground quite thin and to a very acute angle - around 16-17 degrees inclusive on some knives - and the tips of the teeth take more impact damage than PE when cutting on hard surfaces.

So on the one hand, K390 is also run fairly hard - between about 62 and 65 RC - and has a relatively high carbide volume. Given these qualities, we might expect it to be less than ideal for SE.

On the other hand, it does take a fairly thin, acute edge and remains quite stable. My K390 knives have never noticeably chipped from ‘normal’ rough utility use.

I remember when K390 was new, a couple of Bohler employees were discussing it on another forum. A knifemaker asked if it would be suitable steel to make a thinly ground straight razor from.

The Bohler metallurgists said it would make an excellent straight razor.

At the time I was a little dubious of this, given the high carbide volume, but after using three different thinly reground K390 knives for a while, I’m willing to believe it might work in that application.

So all that’s a roundabout way of saying In real world use, K390 might actually work quite well in a SE blade.

But I guess it also depends on what materials you would be cutting with it.

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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby sal » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:27 am

It was decided that the K390 Endura family series will NOT be a Sprint, but regular "In-the-line" models.

sal

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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby bearfacedkiller » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:33 am

Woo hoo!!!!

This is big!!!!
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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby Sharp Guy » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:41 am

bearfacedkiller wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:33 am
Woo hoo!!!!

This is big!!!!
That is big! At some point I'll probably add a Dragonfly and Delica
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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby Doc Dan » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:42 am

sal wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:27 am
It was decided that the K390 Endura family series will NOT be a Sprint, but regular "In-the-line" models.

sal
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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby Wartstein » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:46 am

sal wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:27 am
It was decided that the K390 Endura family series will NOT be a Sprint, but regular "In-the-line" models.

sal

Thanks so much Sal, this is great news!! :)
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Re: Quick question: Upcoming K390 Endura family: Sprint runs or regular production?

Postby kennethsime » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:59 am

sal wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:27 am
It was decided that the K390 Endura family series will NOT be a Sprint, but regular "In-the-line" models.

sal
But more importantly, can I get a Straight Spine Stretch? :-)
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