So what can you tell me about S45VN?

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So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby kennethsime » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:13 am

I'm a simple man; I like my knives green.

What can you tell me about S45VN?
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Re: So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby JacksonKnives » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:00 am

Larrin has about the most thorough answer you could ask for:
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/11/01/ ... 5vn-steel/
S45VN shows improved toughness and corrosion resistance relative to S30V along with similar edge retention. Or slightly reduced toughness relative to S35VN but with improved corrosion resistance and edge retention.
In contrast, it looks like the new Spyderco-proprietary steel (SPY27) will have even finer grain than s35vn for tougher/thinner edges, but with reduced wear resistance.
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Re: So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby kennethsime » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:59 am

JacksonKnives wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:00 am
Larrin has about the most thorough answer you could ask for:
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/11/01/ ... 5vn-steel/
S45VN shows improved toughness and corrosion resistance relative to S30V along with similar edge retention. Or slightly reduced toughness relative to S35VN but with improved corrosion resistance and edge retention.
In contrast, it looks like the new Spyderco-proprietary steel will have even finer grain than s35vn for tougher/thinner edges, but with reduced wear resistance.
That was just the answer I needed. So like S35VN, but less tough, more corrosion resistant, and higher wear resistance. Sounds like I'm preordering!
Lost to the Ages: C90GRE Stretch 1 ZDP-189 British Racing Green | C28GRE2 Dragonfly 2 ZDP-189 British Racing Green
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C90FPIV2 Stretch 2 Straight Spine, VG-10 Rit Dye'd Dark Apple Green | C223GP Para 3 S30V Green Canvas Micarta
C41BORE5 Native 5 Lightweight REX 45 Burnt Orange | C223BORE Para 3 Lightweight REX 45 Burnt Orange
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Re: So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby Wartstein » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:23 am

JacksonKnives wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:00 am
Larrin has about the most thorough answer you could ask for:
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/11/01/ ... 5vn-steel/
S45VN shows improved toughness and corrosion resistance relative to S30V along with similar edge retention. Or slightly reduced toughness relative to S35VN but with improved corrosion resistance and edge retention.
In contrast, it looks like the new Spyderco-proprietary steel will have even finer grain than s35vn for tougher/thinner edges, but with reduced wear resistance.

Without having read the article yet (I will!) and without being an expert by any means:
Looks like S45VN is very close to and somewhat between S30V and S35VN?

So if one (like me...) can´t really tell a difference between S30V and S35VN in practical use, S45VN will feel similar to those two too either?
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Re: So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby James Y » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:18 pm

It almost sound like it could have been named S32.5V? However, it does sound good to me. :)

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Re: So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby JacksonKnives » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:44 pm

Wartstein wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:23 am
Looks like S45VN is very close to and somewhat between S30V and S35VN?

So if one (like me...) can´t really tell a difference between S30V and S35VN in practical use, S45VN will feel similar to those two too either?
Right, that's my take.

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Re: So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby Wartstein » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:49 pm

JacksonKnives wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:44 pm
Wartstein wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:23 am
Looks like S45VN is very close to and somewhat between S30V and S35VN?

So if one (like me...) can´t really tell a difference between S30V and S35VN in practical use, S45VN will feel similar to those two too either?
Right, that's my take.

Ok, thanks! So for a guy like me it is like if a knife features either S30V, S35VN or S45VN, I´ll take it and be a happy camper in any case... :)
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Re: So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby JacksonKnives » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:12 pm

Yup, same here. I'm very happy that Spyderco tries new things and gives me options. I'm also happy that, with the edge geometry you get out of the box, all the steels Spyderco uses work very well.

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Re: So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby kennethsime » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:35 pm

Ditto, folks. I just like the green handles anyway. :-)
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Lost to the Ages: C90GRE Stretch 1 ZDP-189 British Racing Green | C28GRE2 Dragonfly 2 ZDP-189 British Racing Green
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C90FPIV2 Stretch 2 Straight Spine, VG-10 Rit Dye'd Dark Apple Green | C223GP Para 3 S30V Green Canvas Micarta
C41BORE5 Native 5 Lightweight REX 45 Burnt Orange | C223BORE Para 3 Lightweight REX 45 Burnt Orange
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Re: So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby prndltech » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:58 pm

Where’s the military in s45vn ?
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Re: So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby Wartstein » Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:25 pm

JacksonKnives wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:44 pm
Wartstein wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:23 am
Looks like S45VN is very close to and somewhat between S30V and S35VN?

So if one (like me...) can´t really tell a difference between S30V and S35VN in practical use, S45VN will feel similar to those two too either?
Right, that's my take.

One first test-vid of S45VN I found (not a Spyderco knife though). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwnGu5kLWnY&t=620s

(Results beginning at around 09:50)

In this particular test it seems to do better concerning edge retention than S30V or S35 VN
Though, the custom knife in his test most likely features a "race car version of S45 VN" as Cedric himself says in the vid (high rockwell (62) and so on), so the results are probably not the same as they will be for "mass production" S45 VN knives (lower rockwell...).
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Re: So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby Pancake » Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:45 pm

Going to say again, I think most knife users will be hard pressed to notice a difference between S30V, S35VN and S45VN.
I am not saying there is no difference at all, but in reality, it is not going to be night and day difference. Like, you are not going to cut the same thing with 3 knives in 3 steels and after a two weeks you are going to evaluate edge retention....
Still, nice addition for steels junkies.
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Re: So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby sal » Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:36 pm

Hi Jackson,

thanx much.

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Re: So what can you tell me about S45VN?

Postby emanuel » Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:35 pm

I believe S45VN can also attain a higher hardness, so besides having more carbides, the higher hardness will have an impact on the user's opinion on it. But of course, the regular user can see something in let's say CPM154 at 59hrc as performing better simply due to the fact that they just sharpened it better and gave it a crisper, cleaner edge by mere chance... In the end steel matters only if the other big variables are kept constant (geometry and sharpening skill).


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