Sun/Moon Chappy
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Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
I will be getting one for sure. I preordered the SPY27 Para 3 LW. This chap is next on my list, followed by the REX45 Native Chief.
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I wish I could get one with both sides with white/red sun.
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Standard black G10 with a small inlay, a different colored G10 on the other side with a different small inlay, same XHP steel...for $70 more than the standard frn version...this feels like the biggest rip off of the new reveal. Was very surprised and disappointed in the price.
Also. Is it white or more of an ivory/cream color?
Also. Is it white or more of an ivory/cream color?
15 's in 10 different steels
1 - Bradford Guardian 3 / Vanadis 4E Wharnie
1 - Monterey Bay Knives Slayback Flipper / ZDP 189
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31/Macassar Ebony Inlays
1 - CRK Large Inkosi Insingo/ Black Micarta Inlays
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31 Insingo/Magnacut
-Rick
1 - Bradford Guardian 3 / Vanadis 4E Wharnie
1 - Monterey Bay Knives Slayback Flipper / ZDP 189
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31/Macassar Ebony Inlays
1 - CRK Large Inkosi Insingo/ Black Micarta Inlays
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31 Insingo/Magnacut
-Rick
Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
Comparing the price of an injection molded handle with a machined G-10 handle with inlays is a bit unrealistic, in my opinion.
sal
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Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
I agree with Sal. Doing inlays well is no simple feat. I understand that the liners are nested, requiring additional machining.
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I respect, but don´t share your opinion, and may copy and paste what I posted already two days ago:TkoK83Spy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:26 pmStandard black G10 with a small inlay, a different colored G10 on the other side with a different small inlay, same XHP steel...for $70 more than the standard frn version...this feels like the biggest rip off of the new reveal. Was very surprised and disappointed in the price.
" ..totally worth it for me!!
As I see it, I pay 1.) for a knife 2.) for a piece of art
Plus I can imagine that manufacturing that handle with the two inlays, and that in good fit and finish, is more complicated than "just" uniformly G10..."
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
The difference in price is because of manufacturing time. It takes about a minute to inject FRN into a mold and pull out a bunch of FRN scales. Compared to the time it takes to machine one set of G10 scales with inlays, Sal is right, it's kind of an unrealistic comparison. :spyder:TkoK83Spy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:26 pmStandard black G10 with a small inlay, a different colored G10 on the other side with a different small inlay, same XHP steel...for $70 more than the standard frn version...this feels like the biggest rip off of the new reveal. Was very surprised and disappointed in the price.
Also. Is it white or more of an ivory/cream color?
-Nick
Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
I’ve been on this forum for years. Sal has never once struck me as a price gouger. He epitomizes the idea of “a decent product for a reasonable price.” If the Sun & Moon costs $70 more, than that’s because it simply costs more, proportionally, to make.
By the way, in the Reveal this is made in Taiwan; is that Taichung, or another Taiwanese factory?
By the way, in the Reveal this is made in Taiwan; is that Taichung, or another Taiwanese factory?
Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
Looks like Taichung,Sildani wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:15 amI’ve been on this forum for years. Sal has never once struck me as a price gouger. He epitomizes the idea of “a decent product for a reasonable price.” If the Sun & Moon costs $70 more, than that’s because it simply costs more, proportionally, to make.
By the way, in the Reveal this is made in Taiwan; is that Taichung, or another Taiwanese factory?
Peter
Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
Since every Chap variant is made in Taichung, I can´t imagine the Sun and moon should not be.
/ Have I said already how much I love the looks of this knife? :D (And it´s performance anyway, cause it will be quite the same as on my Chap LW- just great.)
Top three going by pocket-time (update March 24):
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
- EDC: Endura thin red line ffg combo edge (VG10); Wayne Goddard PE (4V), Endela SE (VG10)
-Mountains/outdoors: Pac.Salt 1 SE (H1), Salt 2 SE (LC200N), and also Wayne Goddard PE (4V)
Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
Thanks for the explanation Nick. I didn't really think of that part, I saw G10 and figured it was such a standard scale material to use. Good to know!Mushroom wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:01 amThe difference in price is because of manufacturing time. It takes about a minute to inject FRN into a mold and pull out a bunch of FRN scales. Compared to the time it takes to machine one set of G10 scales with inlays, Sal is right, it's kind of an unrealistic comparison. :spyder:TkoK83Spy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:26 pmStandard black G10 with a small inlay, a different colored G10 on the other side with a different small inlay, same XHP steel...for $70 more than the standard frn version...this feels like the biggest rip off of the new reveal. Was very surprised and disappointed in the price.
Also. Is it white or more of an ivory/cream color?
15 's in 10 different steels
1 - Bradford Guardian 3 / Vanadis 4E Wharnie
1 - Monterey Bay Knives Slayback Flipper / ZDP 189
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31/Macassar Ebony Inlays
1 - CRK Large Inkosi Insingo/ Black Micarta Inlays
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31 Insingo/Magnacut
-Rick
1 - Bradford Guardian 3 / Vanadis 4E Wharnie
1 - Monterey Bay Knives Slayback Flipper / ZDP 189
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31/Macassar Ebony Inlays
1 - CRK Large Inkosi Insingo/ Black Micarta Inlays
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31 Insingo/Magnacut
-Rick
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Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
TkoK83Spy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:26 pmStandard black G10 with a small inlay, a different colored G10 on the other side with a different small inlay, same XHP steel...for $70 more than the standard frn version...this feels like the biggest rip off of the new reveal. Was very surprised and disappointed in the price.
Also. Is it white or more of an ivory/cream color?
As others have noted, it's an apples and oranges comparison. Even without inlays, G10 versions of any model cost considerably more than FRN versions of the same model, in the same steel. As an example, the standard black G10 Native 5 with no inlays costs $56 more than the standard black FRN Native 5 in the same S35VN steel.
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Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
It makes much more sense now with the price difference between the upcoming Native 5 sprints in Rex45 between the FRN and G10 models. On the other hand, another member (maybe Peter?) pointed out..it does make you wonder why the FRN and G10 models of the same sprint for the Manix 2 are only a couple dollars difference.The Deacon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:44 amTkoK83Spy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:26 pmStandard black G10 with a small inlay, a different colored G10 on the other side with a different small inlay, same XHP steel...for $70 more than the standard frn version...this feels like the biggest rip off of the new reveal. Was very surprised and disappointed in the price.
Also. Is it white or more of an ivory/cream color?
As others have noted, it's an apples and oranges comparison. Even without inlays, G10 versions of any model cost considerably more than FRN versions of the same model, in the same steel. As an example, the standard black G10 Native 5 with no inlays costs $56 more than the standard black FRN Native 5 in the same S35VN steel.
I would love some behind the scenes videos of how our knives are manufactured from the start, I think that would be awesome!
15 's in 10 different steels
1 - Bradford Guardian 3 / Vanadis 4E Wharnie
1 - Monterey Bay Knives Slayback Flipper / ZDP 189
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31/Macassar Ebony Inlays
1 - CRK Large Inkosi Insingo/ Black Micarta Inlays
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31 Insingo/Magnacut
-Rick
1 - Bradford Guardian 3 / Vanadis 4E Wharnie
1 - Monterey Bay Knives Slayback Flipper / ZDP 189
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31/Macassar Ebony Inlays
1 - CRK Large Inkosi Insingo/ Black Micarta Inlays
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31 Insingo/Magnacut
-Rick
Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
Not sure if it explains the price difference disparity, but the manix lw is frcp, while the native is frn.TkoK83Spy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:52 amIt makes much more sense now with the price difference between the upcoming Native 5 sprints in Rex45 between the FRN and G10 models. On the other hand, another member (maybe Peter?) pointed out..it does make you wonder why the FRN and G10 models of the same sprint for the Manix 2 are only a couple dollars difference.The Deacon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:44 amTkoK83Spy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:26 pmStandard black G10 with a small inlay, a different colored G10 on the other side with a different small inlay, same XHP steel...for $70 more than the standard frn version...this feels like the biggest rip off of the new reveal. Was very surprised and disappointed in the price.
Also. Is it white or more of an ivory/cream color?
As others have noted, it's an apples and oranges comparison. Even without inlays, G10 versions of any model cost considerably more than FRN versions of the same model, in the same steel. As an example, the standard black G10 Native 5 with no inlays costs $56 more than the standard black FRN Native 5 in the same S35VN steel.
I would love some behind the scenes videos of how our knives are manufactured from the start, I think that would be awesome!
- Julia
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Good catch Julia! I keep forgetting the LW Manix uses FRCP and not FRN. I should know better since an LW Manix was 2nd ever Spyderco. Fairly uncommon material, it totally slipped my mind! I bet your absolutely correct.
15 's in 10 different steels
1 - Bradford Guardian 3 / Vanadis 4E Wharnie
1 - Monterey Bay Knives Slayback Flipper / ZDP 189
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31/Macassar Ebony Inlays
1 - CRK Large Inkosi Insingo/ Black Micarta Inlays
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31 Insingo/Magnacut
-Rick
1 - Bradford Guardian 3 / Vanadis 4E Wharnie
1 - Monterey Bay Knives Slayback Flipper / ZDP 189
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31/Macassar Ebony Inlays
1 - CRK Large Inkosi Insingo/ Black Micarta Inlays
1 - CRK Small Sebenza 31 Insingo/Magnacut
-Rick
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It does make me wonder why the manix lw is made with frcp if frn can be made so much cheaper than g10, though. So they can do the translucent?
- Julia
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Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
I think it's worth a closer look.
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Julia, the reason for the disparity may also be that Spyderco may have chosen to sell the G10 Manix 2 at a lower than normal profit margin. Know they've done that with at least one model made in Golden.
Paul
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Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
That'd certainly explain it, too. Either way, I like the manix quite a bit, so I'm happy for it to be one of the less expensive g10 models.The Deacon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:49 pm
Julia, the reason for the disparity may also be that Spyderco may have chosen to sell the G10 Manix 2 at a lower than normal profit margin. Know they've done that with at least one model made in Golden.
- Julia
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Re: Sun/Moon Chappy
I'm not typically a fan of smooth G10, but this appears to have a fine peel ply texture in the photos. I'm interested to see some macro close ups of the texture once these start getting out into users hands. That will ultimately make the decision for me.
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