TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby Foundry81 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:07 pm

I tried picking one of these up on Saturday, I even had one in my cart, But by the time I got to the end of the (somewhat long) checkout, they were all gone. That being said, I hope he takes a chance again on offering another exclusive, and good for him to take a chance on this one.
To me, one of the thing that sets spyderco apart from other companies, is their willingness to do things like this, and to work with companies like the Knife Joker, to offer us unique runs like this.

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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby steelcity16 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:45 pm

Lots of these being flipped on eBay! Glad they got into the right hands!! :rolleyes:
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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby TkoK83Spy » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:51 pm

steelcity16 wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:45 pm
Lots of these being flipped on eBay! Glad they got into the right hands!! :rolleyes:
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeird, so weird :o
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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby eRoc » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:58 pm

How are they getting theirs so soon? I was on the second pre-order and my tracking says it still hasn't been received by USPS. :(

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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby attila » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:15 pm

I received mine this morning, and I was in the first preorder.
Own: Delica, Old S30V Native, modified Breeden Rescue, Delica, HAP40 Endura, ZDP-189 DF2, S110V Manix LW,Pakkawood Delica, Cruwear Para 3, SE H1 DF2, M4 Manix 2, HAP40 Caly 3, S90V Native 5, K390 Urban, Pakkawood DF2, Cruwear PM2, SE Pacific Salt, HAP40 Jazzlica, S110V Native, P.I.T.S., DLC Manix 2, REX 45 PM2, Para 3, XHP Manix LW, Superblue Caly 3, 20CV PM2, Rhino, SB Calypso Jr., B70P, PMA11, K03, ZDP-189 Stretch 2, Kapara, REX 45 Military, 154CM Manix LW, 204p PM2, Swick, Supergold Delica, backlock Lil'Native, AEB-L Urban, HAP40 Stretch, KC Cruwear Manix 2, Cruwear Military, M390 PM2, Cruwear Delica, 4V Lil'Native, Mantra 2, CruCarta Shaman, M390 Para 3 LW, M390 Manix 2, K390 Police 4, RexWood Shaman, DLC Cruwear Shaman, Rex 45 Manix 2, Native 5, Native LW, 204p Para 3, S45VN PM2, S90V Manix LW Rex 45 Shaman, Lil’Native.

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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby JuPaul » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:19 pm

attila wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:15 pm
I received mine this morning, and I was in the first preorder.
No pics??
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Postby attila » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:25 pm

JuPaul wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:19 pm
attila wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:15 pm
I received mine this morning, and I was in the first preorder.
No pics??
Haha haha! My bad. The one pic I have of it is not very interesting, but here you go:

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Own: Delica, Old S30V Native, modified Breeden Rescue, Delica, HAP40 Endura, ZDP-189 DF2, S110V Manix LW,Pakkawood Delica, Cruwear Para 3, SE H1 DF2, M4 Manix 2, HAP40 Caly 3, S90V Native 5, K390 Urban, Pakkawood DF2, Cruwear PM2, SE Pacific Salt, HAP40 Jazzlica, S110V Native, P.I.T.S., DLC Manix 2, REX 45 PM2, Para 3, XHP Manix LW, Superblue Caly 3, 20CV PM2, Rhino, SB Calypso Jr., B70P, PMA11, K03, ZDP-189 Stretch 2, Kapara, REX 45 Military, 154CM Manix LW, 204p PM2, Swick, Supergold Delica, backlock Lil'Native, AEB-L Urban, HAP40 Stretch, KC Cruwear Manix 2, Cruwear Military, M390 PM2, Cruwear Delica, 4V Lil'Native, Mantra 2, CruCarta Shaman, M390 Para 3 LW, M390 Manix 2, K390 Police 4, RexWood Shaman, DLC Cruwear Shaman, Rex 45 Manix 2, Native 5, Native LW, 204p Para 3, S45VN PM2, S90V Manix LW Rex 45 Shaman, Lil’Native.

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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby JMM » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:52 pm

eRoc wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:58 pm
How are they getting theirs so soon? I was on the second pre-order and my tracking says it still hasn't been received by USPS. :(
FWIW.... Mine seemed stalled when checking the USPS tracking from the 2nd until a couple hours ago, then all the sudden tracking shows it in Portland (OR), so delivered tomorrow or the next day at the latest....

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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby Spectre04 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:46 pm

*Edit for 2/6/20. Received it today. Like everyone else has said. it's quite the combo. Tracking was wonky, not his fault.

I was on the 1/16 preorder (05:30) and got the shipping notice 2/2. Knowing it doesn’t actually ship on a Sunday, I’ve been checking since Monday afternoon, without a change from pre shipment. Seems like it’s common, albeit frustrating for us impatient folks. Really looking forward to getting my paws on it.
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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby JuPaul » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:01 pm

attila wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:25 pm
JuPaul wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:19 pm
attila wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:15 pm
I received mine this morning, and I was in the first preorder.
No pics??
Haha haha! My bad. The one pic I have of it is not very interesting, but here you go:

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Thanks! The promo pics are nice on this one, but I like seeing them "in the wild" too. ;) Btw, that's an awesome trio!
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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby cycleguy » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:34 pm

It looks like a very nice knife ... if it is done in PM2, I might have to eat my words and support the ebay ---tards.

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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby SpyderPhreak » Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:26 am

steelcity16 wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:45 pm
Lots of these being flipped on eBay! Glad they got into the right hands!! :rolleyes:
LOL! :rolleyes: Yours for the low, low price of only ~$400... (Roughly a 70% markup from the retail price.) :eek: Puh-lease. :mad:
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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby jdw » Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:48 am

It's really hard to give someone the benefit of the doubt when you see a drop unfold the way that this one did. I think that it is short sighted for people to think that all of the frustration is about missing a knife. Nobody wants to feel like the process that they are participating in is rigged or unfair. This one still appears to me, and apparently others, to have been both.
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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby TomAiello » Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:07 am

I wonder if a high demand exclusive could be done by pre-order lottery? Open up pre-orders, let people put in a small deposit, then draw names for the actual units and refund the other deposits? That would avoid the "do it now!" that crashes servers and makes it impossible to really screen the buyers for duplicates.

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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby jimmyjohnjohn » Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:28 pm

I design and create software systems for a living, which appears to be what caused many of the perceived issues in this case. Software for people like me is not difficult but I do not work with a team of fewer than 5 fellow engineers whose rate is $200+/hour. To ensure that a release like this is done well and doesn't implode (a la the "app" written by Shadow, Inc. and used by the DNC in Iowa earlier this week), it costs money. Lots of money, because again, a team of capable engineers with 100+ years of combined experience isn't cheap.

So I have a lot of empathy for the exclusive vendor because this is not an easy thing to have completely nailed down on release day. I don't really fault them because it's very hard work and it's very tricky to pull off exactly right. There may be financial constraints that limit the ability to pay for an outside team of subject matter experts, if you can even find anyone available. If anyone else thinks they can do better and who were throwing stones at someone else's work (probably without knowing what's involved), I'll be over here to answer questions so that you can get your own web store up and running and prove to us how easy it is.

If it sounds like I'm barking at some folks, I probably am and for that I apologize. But I think that maybe some patience for the vendor, who is doing something which is very tricky and not at all easy, might be warranted. Maybe cut them some slack until you've walked in their shoes for a little while.

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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby JMM » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:02 pm

Got it this morning.... It's absolutely on point, I have a thing for all black.... here's my EDC rotation....

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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby FreeGolf » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:14 pm

jimmyjohnjohn wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:28 pm
I design and create software systems for a living, which appears to be what caused many of the perceived issues in this case. Software for people like me is not difficult but I do not work with a team of fewer than 5 fellow engineers whose rate is $200+/hour. To ensure that a release like this is done well and doesn't implode (a la the "app" written by Shadow, Inc. and used by the DNC in Iowa earlier this week), it costs money. Lots of money, because again, a team of capable engineers with 100+ years of combined experience isn't cheap.

So I have a lot of empathy for the exclusive vendor because this is not an easy thing to have completely nailed down on release day. I don't really fault them because it's very hard work and it's very tricky to pull off exactly right. There may be financial constraints that limit the ability to pay for an outside team of subject matter experts, if you can even find anyone available. If anyone else thinks they can do better and who were throwing stones at someone else's work (probably without knowing what's involved), I'll be over here to answer questions so that you can get your own web store up and running and prove to us how easy it is.

If it sounds like I'm barking at some folks, I probably am and for that I apologize. But I think that maybe some patience for the vendor, who is doing something which is very tricky and not at all easy, might be warranted. Maybe cut them some slack until you've walked in their shoes for a little while.
Bottom line is, popular exclusives are not new. Its 2020. Spend some money and be better prepared as a business. He knew it wasnt on par for an exclusive release. Site traffic can easily be predicted especially since many have done exclusives successfully. First time blah blah. No sympathy for someone planning to release an extremely popular exclusive and be completely unprepared. Ok so now that hes made all this money and opening a brick and mortar shop, he should be able to upgrade his website right? Something tells me he won't :rolleyes: First thing I'd be doing as a business owner, is making good on my websites error. Proving I'm doing all I can to make a better online shopping experience to all the people who wasted their time. Nope, instead we get a social media update of a new shop hes moving into. Gross.

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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby eRoc » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:15 pm

jimmyjohnjohn wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:28 pm
I design and create software systems for a living, which appears to be what caused many of the perceived issues in this case. Software for people like me is not difficult but I do not work with a team of fewer than 5 fellow engineers whose rate is $200+/hour. To ensure that a release like this is done well and doesn't implode (a la the "app" written by Shadow, Inc. and used by the DNC in Iowa earlier this week), it costs money. Lots of money, because again, a team of capable engineers with 100+ years of combined experience isn't cheap.

So I have a lot of empathy for the exclusive vendor because this is not an easy thing to have completely nailed down on release day. I don't really fault them because it's very hard work and it's very tricky to pull off exactly right. There may be financial constraints that limit the ability to pay for an outside team of subject matter experts, if you can even find anyone available. If anyone else thinks they can do better and who were throwing stones at someone else's work (probably without knowing what's involved), I'll be over here to answer questions so that you can get your own web store up and running and prove to us how easy it is.

If it sounds like I'm barking at some folks, I probably am and for that I apologize. But I think that maybe some patience for the vendor, who is doing something which is very tricky and not at all easy, might be warranted. Maybe cut them some slack until you've walked in their shoes for a little while.
Server admin here, and the only server admin on my team. Manage 10-15 sites across a half dozen servers. 4-16k peak, 3-5k daily visits. Managing traffic is a job. If you don't do it, things fail. If you do it right, things don't fail. The likely fault here is the cheap vendor TKJ went with to run the site or incompetence in planning(on dealer/vendor or vendor part).

You cannot sell me that things like this are completely unexpected, or hard to plan for. But you are right, you get what you pay for. Perhaps lesson learned not to bite off more than one can chew.

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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby JMM » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:27 pm

eRoc wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:15 pm
jimmyjohnjohn wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:28 pm
I design and create software systems for a living, which appears to be what caused many of the perceived issues in this case. Software for people like me is not difficult but I do not work with a team of fewer than 5 fellow engineers whose rate is $200+/hour. To ensure that a release like this is done well and doesn't implode (a la the "app" written by Shadow, Inc. and used by the DNC in Iowa earlier this week), it costs money. Lots of money, because again, a team of capable engineers with 100+ years of combined experience isn't cheap.

So I have a lot of empathy for the exclusive vendor because this is not an easy thing to have completely nailed down on release day. I don't really fault them because it's very hard work and it's very tricky to pull off exactly right. There may be financial constraints that limit the ability to pay for an outside team of subject matter experts, if you can even find anyone available. If anyone else thinks they can do better and who were throwing stones at someone else's work (probably without knowing what's involved), I'll be over here to answer questions so that you can get your own web store up and running and prove to us how easy it is.

If it sounds like I'm barking at some folks, I probably am and for that I apologize. But I think that maybe some patience for the vendor, who is doing something which is very tricky and not at all easy, might be warranted. Maybe cut them some slack until you've walked in their shoes for a little while.
Server admin here, and the only server admin on my team. Manage 10-15 sites across a half dozen servers. 4-16k peak, 3-5k daily visits. Managing traffic is a job. If you don't do it, things fail. If you do it right, things don't fail. The likely fault here is the cheap vendor TKJ went with to run the site or incompetence in planning(on dealer/vendor or vendor part).

You cannot sell me that things like this are completely unexpected, or hard to plan for. But you are right, you get what you pay for. Perhaps lesson learned not to bite off more than one can chew.
Cloudflare anyone? [cough]

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Re: TKJ Spyderco exclusive cruwear ????

Postby jimmyjohnjohn » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:55 am

I appreciate the responses and will respectfully address them. I think everyone who responded are not accounting for some challenges which must be overcome in order to have a relatively successful release online release.

It doesn't matter if sprints and exclusives are new or not. A resilient system capable of handling load spikes 6 to 9 orders of magnitude from the mean will still be difficult to implement successfully and the fact that exclusives have existed for a period of time does not suddenly lessen that engineering challenge. The demand, apparently, is that this vendor should engineer a resilient system capable of handling spikes in usage that are 6 to 9 orders or magnitude higher than average that occur 0.0002 of the time. It is certainly possible to design and build such a system, but the cost to do so will quickly go parabolic, which is what you seem to demand the vendor implement in rather cavalier fashion. Again, I create distributed, scalable systems for Fortune 100 companies because they are the only ones who can afford it. Just to get your foot in the door is high 6 figures and these projects can easily reach 7, 8, 9, even 10 figures.

eRoc, what would happen to your environment if, for 0.0002 of the year, your load spiked by a million times where you were flooded with requests competing for read/write access to a single database record? Is your system designed for that? I can go on describing the process, but unless the system is designed to scale and ensure system state is protected, things will get messy quickly and the entire system may become unusable. Designing a system to handle the load that will be experienced 0.0002 of the time is a very costly proposition for a company and is completely outside the realm of expertise for a knife shop. It can be done, as you know, but it's expensive and it's always going to be difficult.

Cloudflare is a content distribution network. There is no way that Cloudflare alone would solve the problems that the vendor experienced. I don't want to be too critical but that shows a lack of understanding about the problem.


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