Surfingringo wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:48 pm
Regarding the OP, I would not advocate replacing everything with LC200n and doing away with the Salt line. Mainly because variety is the spice of life but specifically because (in the case of say s30v and lc200n) you would be giving up edge retention for a level of corrosion resistance that the average user doesn’t need.
LC200n has good edge performance compared to H1 but there are still plenty of high carbide stainless steels that will outperform it in wear resistance. Also it should be noted that there is far more to making a “Salt” knife than just changing the steel.
I WOULD however be happy to see LC200n used in more standard production “non salt” knives. (Like Millie and PM2 for example). I think knives like that would sell extremely well. I think maybe the reason that hasn’t happened is because they are reserving lc200n steel for their full blown salt knives only. Why? I’m not sure but it might be because people associate that steel with being a Salt knife so if they just dropped an lc200n blade in a standard pm2 people might assume and expect it was a Salt knife when it actually wasn’t, resulting in rusty knives and warranty complaints? That’s just a guess. Personally, I believe you can get around that with clear marketing including name changes, blade markings and “Salt” logos, etc. I mean, nobody is mistaking an Endurance for a Pacific Salt are they? But once you start using the same steel I guess the chance for confusion could increase. I don’t know.
What I do know is that I hate seeing lc200n being relegated to use only in Salt knives and I also hate seeing Salt designs being relegated to only being rustproof offerings. What I mean by the latter is I would eventually like to see some designs in the Salt line offered in non salt higher wear resistance offerings. I mean, if there is room for a Salt 2 AND a Delica then surely there is room for a Siren and non salt Siren in s110v or Maxamet.
the average user doesn’t need s30v edge retention either. there are probably more people walking around just fine with knives in aus8, 8cr13mov, etc. than s30v or other steels with higher edge retention.
i would assume the average user would be better suited with a blade that could be used for any task without worry of corrosion while requiring less maintenance and that sharpened easily than they would with a blade that didn’t need to be sharpened as often. maybe the average user isn’t going to rust s30v, but a lot of people do. i’ve cleaned up rusty s30v and it was surprisingly resilient, but the person i did that for didn’t even have a torx bit set to take care of it himself and he’s a handy guy with tons of tools. my point is the average user probably doesn’t maintain their knives, doesn’t have the equipment to do so, and is probably less adept at sharpening.
on the other hand, the average user looking to upgrade to a higher end steel might have trouble justifying the extra cost for slightly decreased performance that people report with lc200n vs s30v in threads like this. i don’t think the difference is really drastic enough for most people to notice. i guess it just depends on what you prioritize based on your needs.
I understand alot of points being made but I have to argue the other side. Lc200n and h1 should be for full blown salt knives because the only people gaining an advantage are folks who are actually getting thier knives wet in the saltwater. I work on the beach and I really wonder how exagerated some stories might be, Ive seen plenty of regular stainless be just fine even with regular beach or boat use.
Also I cant help but think of the old timers I work with. (People not knives) Anyway, they know theres carbon steel and they know theres stainless. They dont care about technical specs or what the name is. They wouldnt care or bother to listen about there being a difference between stainless and rust proof. They know how to prevent rust, which they are going to keep doing, even on a rustproof knife, because like I said they are just going to assume that means good stainless. They also know how to sharpen and are pretty good at getting a free hand working edge. About the only thing they judge a working knife off of is edge holding and price. BUT... they are also not going to pay alot of money for a pocket knife or work knife, and as I said they are not going to take the time to learn about steels or pay the difference for super steels. Basically Im saying even though maxamet might blow thier mind they are never going to try it. Not unless I bought it for them and I dont like my coworkers that much. Point is I think alot of regular knife users are like this. The kind who would never jump on a forum and talk about this stuff. They want edge holding at an affordable price point. They know carbon steel rust, they might be able to sharpen, and they dont care about anything else.
Its good that companies like spyderco and a couple others give options to people like us who do care about such things.
Edit. I dont personally have any issue with lances suggestion for lc200n in non salt knives, and salt designs also having non salt designs, but like I said alot of us dont represent regular users.