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Slipit as a base for testing new steels

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It’s no secret that I like the Urban LW as a vehicle fir testing new steels in everyday life. It is very size efficient and pocket friendly. The walk is not great, though, being too hard to open.

I did not care for the UKPK because the earlier ones I handled did not have a nice spring tension. That has changed. People on this forum told me the new ones are about right. Well, this new BD1N version is about right. This would also make a great platform for testing new steels for actual daily use. The price is good, the action is good, and it’s Golden made.

( I think the Urban would benefit by Golden manufacture)

I’d like to see more such slipits with new steels to test, including the new UKPK.
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I definitely enjoyed the Urban LW (k390), but I'd agree that the Golden-made current UKPK is a superior platform. It's big enough to apply some force with the knife and it has much better action.
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I'd be all for this in either model. Though not a slipit, but exactly why I grabbed a Calypso JR/SuperBlue from National Knives this past weekend when they magically showed up on their site. I was excited to try this steel, especially in a cheaper model. You really can't go wrong with an Urban or UKPK!
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I think the UKPK should be used for USA steels and the Urban for European steels. Less shipping should help keep costs down.

Now we just need a nice Japanese slipppie for Japanese steels. :)
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TomAiello wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:06 am
I think the UKPK should be used for USA steels and the Urban for European steels. Less shipping should help keep costs down.

Now we just need a nice Japanese slipppie for Japanese steels. :)
I second all of the above. It would be cool to have a JPK. It would be a UKPK with a dab of wasabi. Perhaps it could be called the Sushi or the Sashimi as it would be designed to highlight the steel in its "raw" form.
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I’ve been in this choir since the mule program came to an end.

I didn’t buy mules (Spydie folders are what brought me here) but I did pay close attention to reactions of those who did. Early warning primes the pump.

Spyderco’s slipits, apart from being a relatively inexpensive way to introduce new steels, are jurisdiction-friendlier knives that punch far above their weight.

I like Tom’s idea of European Urbans, American UKPKs, and Japanese ???, so as to feature the steels of their regions. How about the Calypso Jr. as the basis for the Japanese slipit?

But, please, can we update the pivot screw on each model so it can be tightened from both sides? Pretty please?
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I like the idea of a folding mule (slippy so everyone can enjoy them) but I would definitely want at least the size of the UKPK. Maybe they can improve the spring?
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Evil D wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:52 am
I like the idea of a folding mule (slippy so everyone can enjoy them) but I would definitely want at least the size of the UKPK. Maybe they can improve the spring?
I think the spring is fine in the current production.
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The spring is vastly superior in the new knife versus its predecessor.

I would not want a knife larger than the UKPK as I would not nor could not carry it daily.

I like that these knives are inexpensive. If I really like a steel tested in one of these I can buy a more expensive knife. Also, slip joints allow most of us to participate.
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A slipit makes sense considering that not everyone can have a locking knife everywhere. Gives more people a chance to check out interesting steels
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I like the Slipit idea and roughly the size of a UKPK, maybe smaller, but I think a folding mule should be an all new model. It should be like the Chaparral and Sage where something remains constant, maybe the scales. I’m thinking something similar to a Lil Native LW shape, Slipit with a variety of steels.
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Steel testing on rope and etc it great, but most of us cut zip ties, open cans, open plastic packaging, cut food, cut string, hit the edge on plates, cut saplings, cut cane for fishing poles, clean game, carve wooden instruments, and more such things. This gives us practical daily use knives of practical size.
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Hi Doc, What you are asking is a lot more complicated than you might imagine.

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sal wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:12 am
Hi Doc, What you are asking is a lot more complicated than you might imagine.

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I know I’m not in the business, but I am not suggesting a new knife. Just an existing one with Sprint Run steel choices like we have gotten with the Urban. I like what has been done there.

I would not mind at all seeing more Urbans in new steels and would like to see the UKPK done in new steels. These are affordable and practical.

I wonder if there is a way to poll or to test the waters some more! What I think is the Urban Sprints sold well, or seem to have. Perhaps the Caly/Delica sized UKPK would as well?

Of course we’ve had threads on slipit mules and folding mules before.
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Here is the current UKPK compared to the Urban K390 Sprint.
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Doc I'm not at all trying to be disagreeable with you but I think Spyderco has this one right to begin with. I think that using the C-36 Military and the Para2 are both perfect for testing the market with new blade steels.

And the same could be said about those Mule models as well. For the foreseeable future I'll probably continue using the MILITARY or PARA2 models as my main EDCs as well. Unless they ever come across with a C-60 Ayoob in a Supersteel.

I also think that Sprint Runs are a great way to test drive new blade steels as well.
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One requirement that you are perhaps not thinking of is that in order to get a new steel to test,besides sometimes begging, we have to purchase a minimum quantity. Usually 1,000 to 2,000 lbs. That would be an awful lot of UK's or Urbans to try to move with an experimental steel.

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sal wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:03 am
One requirement that you are perhaps not thinking of is that in order to get a new steel to test,besides sometimes begging, we have to purchase a minimum quantity. Usually 1,000 to 2,000 lbs. That would be an awful lot of UK's or Urbans to try to move with an experimental steel.

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With that in mind, Sal, do you think it might be feasible to do something similar to the collector's program?

I'm thinking if we get 100 people to sign up to buy whatever UKpk's in a variety of steel, then maybe one can come out every 6-8 months and then meet the steel minimum orders?
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curlyhairedboy wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:51 am
sal wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:03 am
One requirement that you are perhaps not thinking of is that in order to get a new steel to test,besides sometimes begging, we have to purchase a minimum quantity. Usually 1,000 to 2,000 lbs. That would be an awful lot of UK's or Urbans to try to move with an experimental steel.

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With that in mind, Sal, do you think it might be feasible to do something similar to the collector's program?

I'm thinking if we get 100 people to sign up to buy whatever UKpk's in a variety of steel, then maybe one can come out every 6-8 months and then meet the steel minimum orders?
I think you need waaaaay more than 100 people to cover 1000-2000 pounds of steel.
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How many units is that?
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