Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby Pancake » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:07 am

ZMW wrote:
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Where is Larrin with toughness data on H1 vs LC?? Like everyone else, I am really curious. I don’t recall seeing H1 on his previous toughness charts
Larrin has tested LC200N but I think it was under name Z-finit. For stainless steel, it has superb toughness.

H1 is a different animal and you can't test it the same way. You can't get it outside Japan and you can't heat treated it - it just not work that way. There are no bars of H1 available for knife making. And for toughness testing you need to have speciment with specific dimensions.
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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby ZMW » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:18 am

Thank you! I didn’t know z finit is the same as lc200n.

Pancake wrote:
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ZMW wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:25 am
Where is Larrin with toughness data on H1 vs LC?? Like everyone else, I am really curious. I don’t recall seeing H1 on his previous toughness charts
Larrin has tested LC200N but I think it was under name Z-finit. For stainless steel, it has superb toughness.

H1 is a different animal and you can't test it the same way. You can't get it outside Japan and you can't heat treated it - it just not work that way. There are no bars of H1 available for knife making. And for toughness testing you need to have speciment with specific dimensions.

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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby curlyhairedboy » Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:56 pm

Would like one of these with an Emerson opener....
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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby Surfingringo » Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:35 pm

curlyhairedboy wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:56 pm
Would like one of these with an Emerson opener....
I don’t need any of the “fast opening” attributes but I have often used the spydiehole on a Pacific Salt to lever a hook out of a fishes mouth. An Emerson opener would probably make a nice little pry-claw.

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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby PeaceInOurTime » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:25 pm

I may have missed the discussion, but does the reverse "s" provide any particular benefit over a normal hawkbill?
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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby Evil D » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:38 pm

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I may have missed the discussion, but does the reverse "s" provide any particular benefit over a normal hawkbill?

Maybe some situations where that little bit of belly gives you a reach advantage, like if you were trying to cut on a cutting board or something. Otherwise they seem to have a less dramatic hook shape overall which may have some advantage somewhere depending on how you're using it. I'm really not for or against either one, the pros and cons seem less significant to me than the model/steel/etc.
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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby TomH » Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:01 am

curlyhairedboy wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:56 pm
Would like one of these with an Emerson opener....
I would like this, too.

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Postby Surfingringo » Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:51 am

PeaceInOurTime wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:25 pm
I may have missed the discussion, but does the reverse "s" provide any particular benefit over a normal hawkbill?
Whittling type cuts. Cutting objects on the corner of a flat surface. Cuts where you hold something against the side of the blade with your thumb to make a cut (like cutting fishing line or string). Basically, the reverse S gives you a section of blade at the heel that is in line/parallel with the handle. This doesn’t sound like a big difference but in my experience it makes a big difference in how useful the knife is for average “EDC” type tasks. I also feel like the down sweep at the tip is less severe on some reverse S shapes so a pull cut using just the tip is more fluid. (This type of “scoring” cut is one of the most common cuts I do with these types of blades)

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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby PeaceInOurTime » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:42 pm

Surfingringo wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:51 am
PeaceInOurTime wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:25 pm
I may have missed the discussion, but does the reverse "s" provide any particular benefit over a normal hawkbill?
Whittling type cuts. Cutting objects on the corner of a flat surface. Cuts where you hold something against the side of the blade with your thumb to make a cut (like cutting fishing line or string). Basically, the reverse S gives you a section of blade at the heel that is in line/parallel with the handle. This doesn’t sound like a big difference but in my experience it makes a big difference in how useful the knife is for average “EDC” type tasks. I also feel like the down sweep at the tip is less severe on some reverse S shapes so a pull cut using just the tip is more fluid. (This type of “scoring” cut is one of the most common cuts I do with these types of blades)

That makes sense and I think I see the merit. Thanks for the reply!
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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby bbturbodad » Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:37 pm

PeaceInOurTime wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:42 pm
Surfingringo wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:51 am
PeaceInOurTime wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:25 pm
I may have missed the discussion, but does the reverse "s" provide any particular benefit over a normal hawkbill?
Whittling type cuts. Cutting objects on the corner of a flat surface. Cuts where you hold something against the side of the blade with your thumb to make a cut (like cutting fishing line or string). Basically, the reverse S gives you a section of blade at the heel that is in line/parallel with the handle. This doesn’t sound like a big difference but in my experience it makes a big difference in how useful the knife is for average “EDC” type tasks. I also feel like the down sweep at the tip is less severe on some reverse S shapes so a pull cut using just the tip is more fluid. (This type of “scoring” cut is one of the most common cuts I do with these types of blades)

That makes sense and I think I see the merit. Thanks for the reply!

I find the angle of approach more natural for "EDC" tasks with the mild reverse S on the LM vs a full hawkbill like the Tasman. For me the rear portion of a hawkbill goes unused whereas with the LM I tend to use the whole blade.

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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby PeaceInOurTime » Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:21 pm

bbturbodad wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:37 pm
PeaceInOurTime wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:42 pm
Surfingringo wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:51 am
PeaceInOurTime wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:25 pm
I may have missed the discussion, but does the reverse "s" provide any particular benefit over a normal hawkbill?
Whittling type cuts. Cutting objects on the corner of a flat surface. Cuts where you hold something against the side of the blade with your thumb to make a cut (like cutting fishing line or string). Basically, the reverse S gives you a section of blade at the heel that is in line/parallel with the handle. This doesn’t sound like a big difference but in my experience it makes a big difference in how useful the knife is for average “EDC” type tasks. I also feel like the down sweep at the tip is less severe on some reverse S shapes so a pull cut using just the tip is more fluid. (This type of “scoring” cut is one of the most common cuts I do with these types of blades)

That makes sense and I think I see the merit. Thanks for the reply!

I find the angle of approach more natural for "EDC" tasks with the mild reverse S on the LM vs a full hawkbill like the Tasman. For me the rear portion of a hawkbill goes unused whereas with the LM I tend to use the whole blade.


Interesting. This makes me wonder about how a blade with several consecutive mild re-curves/waves would perform (in SE). Granted, it would likely need to be much longer than the LM. I'm not aware of any similar existing blades.
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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby Sumdumguy » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:09 am

PeaceInOurTime wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:21 pm
bbturbodad wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:37 pm
PeaceInOurTime wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:42 pm
Surfingringo wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:51 am


Whittling type cuts. Cutting objects on the corner of a flat surface. Cuts where you hold something against the side of the blade with your thumb to make a cut (like cutting fishing line or string). Basically, the reverse S gives you a section of blade at the heel that is in line/parallel with the handle. This doesn’t sound like a big difference but in my experience it makes a big difference in how useful the knife is for average “EDC” type tasks. I also feel like the down sweep at the tip is less severe on some reverse S shapes so a pull cut using just the tip is more fluid. (This type of “scoring” cut is one of the most common cuts I do with these types of blades)

That makes sense and I think I see the merit. Thanks for the reply!

I find the angle of approach more natural for "EDC" tasks with the mild reverse S on the LM vs a full hawkbill like the Tasman. For me the rear portion of a hawkbill goes unused whereas with the LM I tend to use the whole blade.


Interesting. This makes me wonder about how a blade with several consecutive mild re-curves/waves would perform (in SE). Granted, it would likely need to be much longer than the LM. I'm not aware of any similar existing blades.
The only one is the Kris, but it was only made in PE.

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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby Pancake » Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:50 am

If it comes without that Lil in the name, it could be very interesting.
Like a Pacific Salt 2 with reverse S blade.... yeah (but hawkbill could be also good).
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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby Evil D » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:13 am

PeaceInOurTime wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:21 pm
bbturbodad wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:37 pm
PeaceInOurTime wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:42 pm
Surfingringo wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:51 am


Whittling type cuts. Cutting objects on the corner of a flat surface. Cuts where you hold something against the side of the blade with your thumb to make a cut (like cutting fishing line or string). Basically, the reverse S gives you a section of blade at the heel that is in line/parallel with the handle. This doesn’t sound like a big difference but in my experience it makes a big difference in how useful the knife is for average “EDC” type tasks. I also feel like the down sweep at the tip is less severe on some reverse S shapes so a pull cut using just the tip is more fluid. (This type of “scoring” cut is one of the most common cuts I do with these types of blades)

That makes sense and I think I see the merit. Thanks for the reply!

I find the angle of approach more natural for "EDC" tasks with the mild reverse S on the LM vs a full hawkbill like the Tasman. For me the rear portion of a hawkbill goes unused whereas with the LM I tend to use the whole blade.


Interesting. This makes me wonder about how a blade with several consecutive mild re-curves/waves would perform (in SE). Granted, it would likely need to be much longer than the LM. I'm not aware of any similar existing blades.

Seems like it would only really be beneficial if you're cutting something wide enough to get each wave of the blade over what you're cutting, unless you're pulling the blade over something like a sawing motion. I'm sure it would be a strong cutter but I'm not sure it would have many advantages over just one. I'd definitely try one out though.


Actually now that I think about it there is/was a kitchen knife with sort of a similar pattern, at least in the serrations themselves. It wasn't really a full on "Kris" style blade but there's a definite wave to the edge.

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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby PeaceInOurTime » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:41 pm

^^^ that's sort of the same idea. Maybe someday the Police handle will be mated with a reverse "s" (or multiple waves) blade. There certainly has been alot of talk this year about the reverse "s" in all sizes.

Sorry if I'm a bit off topic. Back to the LM salt, I don't know that I would buy one, but it does seem like it would make more sense to have that model as a salt. It would seem beneficial to have your defensive tool (as it was designed to be) able to handle wet, salty conditions.
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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby Dazen » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:46 pm

curlyhairedboy wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:56 pm
Would like one of these with an Emerson opener....
This would be the icing on the cake for this knife!

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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby ZrowsN1s » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:24 am

Sounds good to me👍
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Postby bbturbodad » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:59 pm

Bump!!!
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Re: Who else wants a SE Lil'Matriarch Salt in H1 ?!

Postby kerrcobra » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:19 pm

curlyhairedboy wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:56 pm
Would like one of these with an Emerson opener....
This would be awesome!


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