thewoodpecker wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:11 am
Wartstein wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:05 am
thewoodpecker wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:55 am
Would love to see a K390 Wharncliffe Delica. Reaching for the stars: CQI Delica with 50/50 choil.
Sorry, but I have to be honest: Imho a 50:50 choil Delica would ruin a lot of its greatness.
What sets the Delica apart from most other Spydies in its sizerange (Para 3, Sage, Native 5, even Chaparral) IS exactly that there is NO choil. That's exactly why the handle offers a lot of grip area even for bigger hands, while placing your hand rather close to the edge.
And the Ricasso of the Delica, additionally to let the hand be closer to the edge in a regular grip, imho is better than a choil also cause one can perfectly choke up on it, but it does not tend to hang up on stuff like a choil can sometimes...
Agree to disagree. I use my Caly 3.5 and Urban for 95% of all non-kitchen cutting tasks. Ergos are spot on for both and I've never had the choil hangup on anything while cutting, probably because my finger is on the choil. The Kapara has the perfect choil execution (right under the pivot) so that you get a functional choil while maintaining the full blade/edge length. I'd be down for a smaller
ricasso and more edge or the same amount of edge with the ricasso replaced by a functional choil. Just my .02¢ though.
Thanks for your reply and the disussion!
You´re right, "choil hangig up on stuff" is not an real issue, it just can
happen occasionally when cutting cardboard for example (and would not happen with a "Ricasso").
Still, there are so (too?) many Spydercos with a 50/50 choil out there, just in the Delica size range Para 3, Sage, Native, Chaparral... so I think the Delica should remain as it is and a "no-choil-alternative". (given that you can choke up on that Ricasso perfectly anyway (it WORKS like a "functional choil" indeed) PLUS your hand is closer to the edge if you don´t choke up, than it would if there was a choil)
And especially in THAT size range a choil makes little sense imho, at least for my particular hand size (Lto XL). The overall length of for example the Para 3 handle would
offer enough space for a good four finger grip, but because it (the handle itself ( FRN or G10 part)) is shortened due to the 50/50 choil it does NOT and I actually HAVE to choke up on the choil for a good grip. And that disadvantge comes even with a second one: Loss of actual cutting edge...
You mention the Urban and the Caly 3.5: Both are models, where a choil (other than it is with Native, Para 3 or would be with the Delica) does make a lot more sense:
The Urban is so small, that the handle would not offer enough space for a good four finger grip anyway, regardless how it would be shaped, so a choil is almost mandatory (a bit like on the DFly) and not only a slipjoint-safety-feature
The Caly 3.5 on the other hand has a handle that is long
enough to accomodate a 50/50 choil but still
offer a good four finger grip on the actual handle behind the choil
/ Concerning your wish for more edge on the Delica,I may quote myself from an earlier post
"A "maximum edge length edition" of the Delica: If the blade was lengthened to fill all of the available space in the handle when closed, and if it had no Ricasso but edge instead all the way back to the handle (like the Centofante), you´d end up with an actual cutting edge of 8.3 cm (about 3.3 ") in the compact Delica handle (so more edge than a PM2, Endela or even Stretch ONE). I´d like such a model a lot"
Top three going by pocket-time: Endura 4 in VG 10/Micarta-scales; Stretch 1 in VG 10; Endura 4 in HAP 40