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Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby Evil D » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:16 pm

What took you so long?

It seems like a drastically better design than the screwed together stop pin. I have a pretty good selection of knives with both styles of stop pins and it seems that the pivot action is significantly improved with the floating pin, or at least that the screwed pin was a source of binding or throwing the pivot area out of parallel.

Was this some random idea or did it take time for the tech to develop or something? I guess I'm curious how it came to be in the first place since it seems like such a significant improvement it seems like a no brainier and surprising that it wasn't part of the design all along.
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby Larry_Mott » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:45 pm

Speaking strictly for myself it is often that the obvious solution takes time to come to you :)
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby kodai78 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:50 pm

Amen! I have often in life had an insight that was brilliant, after I’d been doing something the hard way for years. Be interested in Sal’s answer to this.
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby prndltech » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:51 pm

I agree. Time and experience is usually the result...
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby wsdavies » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:04 pm

It's too bad Sal lacks your keen intellect otherwise he could have really done something with his life and accomplished something.
Evil D wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:16 pm
What took you so long?

It seems like a drastically better design than the screwed together stop pin. I have a pretty good selection of knives with both styles of stop pins and it seems that the pivot action is significantly improved with the floating pin, or at least that the screwed pin was a source of binding or throwing the pivot area out of parallel.

Was this some random idea or did it take time for the tech to develop or something? I guess I'm curious how it came to be in the first place since it seems like such a significant improvement it seems like a no brainier and surprising that it wasn't part of the design all along.

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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby Evil D » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:20 pm

wsdavies wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:04 pm
It's too bad Sal lacks your keen intellect otherwise he could have really done something with his life and accomplished something.

It's a tongue in cheek way of saying it's a fantastic design and I wish it happened sooner. You can put your torch and pitchfork away now.
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby prndltech » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:19 pm

Evil D wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:20 pm
You can put your torch and pitchfork away now.
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby Doc Dan » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:58 pm

wsdavies wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:04 pm
It's too bad Sal lacks your keen intellect otherwise he could have really done something with his life and accomplished something.
Evil D wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:16 pm
What took you so long?

It seems like a drastically better design than the screwed together stop pin. I have a pretty good selection of knives with both styles of stop pins and it seems that the pivot action is significantly improved with the floating pin, or at least that the screwed pin was a source of binding or throwing the pivot area out of parallel.

Was this some random idea or did it take time for the tech to develop or something? I guess I'm curious how it came to be in the first place since it seems like such a significant improvement it seems like a no brainier and surprising that it wasn't part of the design all along.
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby curlyhairedboy » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:39 am

I'm a fan of the floating stop pin. The locking triangle is a hard thing to adjust, as each part is affected.
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby JonLeBlanc » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:50 am

Larry_Mott wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:45 pm
Speaking strictly for myself it is often that the obvious solution takes time to come to you :)
Indubitably lol
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby Evil D » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:04 am

I'm really just curious if this design was part of the plan all along, or if it wasn't possible 10 years ago or if it was just a lightbulb idea moment.
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby Doc Dan » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:37 am

I think it was an “Ah ha!” Moment.
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby VashHash » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:59 am

I also like the floating lockbar pivot on the native 5 and chief.

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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby abbazaba » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:06 pm

Larry_Mott wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:45 pm
Speaking strictly for myself it is often that the obvious solution takes time to come to you :)
Agreed! :)

The ability for the blade stop to take a significant amount of load and NOT dislodge is an imperative of most folding knives. So, before we had a better understanding of materials, it was probably safer to screw it in. Just guessing.

I think there continues to be a mentality that more screws = more strength. Where as some knives like the K2 may prove that unnecessary with only two screws holding it together (and that sexy as hell "squished" stand off).

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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby ChrisinHove » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:41 pm

abbazaba wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:06 pm

I think there continues to be a mentality that more screws = more strength. Where as some knives like the K2 may prove that unnecessary with only two screws holding it together (and that sexy as hell "squished" stand off).
I think you hit the nail on the head, there. Simplify and add lightness, as paraphrased by Colin Chapman of Lotus cars

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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby sal » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:15 pm

We're always working on CQI improvements. To go full production with any new idea takes time and planning. Tolerances are very close and must be carefully planned for while making many knives and many models. Some things we're quick to do and some are cautiously moved forward.

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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby Doeswhateveraspidercan » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:13 pm

Evil D wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:16 pm
What took you so long?

It seems like a drastically better design than the screwed together stop pin. I have a pretty good selection of knives with both styles of stop pins and it seems that the pivot action is significantly improved with the floating pin, or at least that the screwed pin was a source of binding or throwing the pivot area out of parallel.

Was this some random idea or did it take time for the tech to develop or something? I guess I'm curious how it came to be in the first place since it seems like such a significant improvement it seems like a no brainier and surprising that it wasn't part of the design all along.
Which models sport this stop pin?
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby Evil D » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:35 pm

Doeswhateveraspidercan wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:13 pm
Evil D wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:16 pm
What took you so long?

It seems like a drastically better design than the screwed together stop pin. I have a pretty good selection of knives with both styles of stop pins and it seems that the pivot action is significantly improved with the floating pin, or at least that the screwed pin was a source of binding or throwing the pivot area out of parallel.

Was this some random idea or did it take time for the tech to develop or something? I guess I'm curious how it came to be in the first place since it seems like such a significant improvement it seems like a no brainier and surprising that it wasn't part of the design all along.
Which models sport this stop pin?


Newest Military was first I believe, now the Caribbean, Shaman and Para 3 all have it. I'm sure I'm leaving some out.
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby Sharp Guy » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:53 pm

Evil D wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:35 pm
Newest Military was first I believe, now the Caribbean, Shaman and Para 3 all have it. I'm sure I'm leaving some out.
I find it interesting that, for whatever reason, the Para 3 LW does not have it.
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Re: Dear Sal, a question about that floating stop pin..

Postby Evil D » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:21 am

Sharp Guy wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:53 pm
Evil D wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:35 pm
Newest Military was first I believe, now the Caribbean, Shaman and Para 3 all have it. I'm sure I'm leaving some out.
I find it interesting that, for whatever reason, the Para 3 LW does not have it.

I haven't had one apart... could it be hidden inside like the Caribbean?
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