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Re: Going against the grain

Postby Dazen » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:32 am

TkoK83Spy wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:11 am
JonLeBlanc wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:55 am
Mushroom wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:22 am
Its okay to collect knives.

Seems like that goes against the grain, for some reason, these days.
Hah I know right, I usually don't even tell people if they ask "what are your hobbies?" Because the looks one gets when one says "I collect knives..." Yikes.
Haha, yep!! I get that at work sometimes. I'm "the knife guy" and there's a few other guys here that like knives, just not on the same level. They don't care about steels, handle materials and such. Some of the guys will joke around "Don't mess with Rick, he's probably got 6 knives on him today"

Nooo guys, actually only 3 :o :p
When you tell someone you collect knives they automatically think you have Excalibur across your mantel!

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Re: Going against the grain

Postby legOFwhat? » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:46 am

Like Dazen, I like heavier knives, my G10 manix2 hand feel is perfect and wish I could swap out my Maxamet lw to get that beefiness to go with that blade. Same way with my ink pens, heavier the better.
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Re: Going against the grain

Postby wrdwrght » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:52 am

Going against the grain flow?

I’m in a back-eddy of dislike for painted blades and laminated blades.

Yet, like all here in back-eddies, I remain in the flow.

Is there a lesson here?
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Re: Going against the grain

Postby JonLeBlanc » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:03 am

TkoK83Spy wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:11 am
JonLeBlanc wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:55 am
Mushroom wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:22 am
Its okay to collect knives.

Seems like that goes against the grain, for some reason, these days.
Hah I know right, I usually don't even tell people if they ask "what are your hobbies?" Because the looks one gets when one says "I collect knives..." Yikes.
Haha, yep!! I get that at work sometimes. I'm "the knife guy" and there's a few other guys here that like knives, just not on the same level. They don't care about steels, handle materials and such. Some of the guys will joke around "Don't mess with Rick, he's probably got 6 knives on him today"

Nooo guys, actually only 3 :o :p
When their eyes glaze over and pupils dilate, you know they're thinking "serial killer?" or "militant survivalist?" Lol.

I guess my (sorta) against the grain is a lack of concern for edge retention. And trust me, I understand how holding an edge might be very important in various situations, I just don't find myself in those situations often, and when/if I ever do, I've got a nice supply of carbidey alloys to handle things. But generally I value toughness and don't mind touching up often.
My collection so far: 52100 Military (2); 52100 PM2 (2); 52100 Para3; Stretch2 V-Toku; KnifeWorks M4 PM2; BentoBox M390 PM2; BentoBox S90V Military; Police4 K390; S110V PM2; SS Delica AUS-6; Wayne Goddard Sprint VG-10
Wish list: Hundred Pacer; Sliverax; Mantra; 52100 PM2 SE; Kapara

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Re: Going against the grain

Postby Ankerson » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:07 am

JonLeBlanc wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:03 am
TkoK83Spy wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:11 am
JonLeBlanc wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:55 am
Mushroom wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:22 am
Its okay to collect knives.

Seems like that goes against the grain, for some reason, these days.
Hah I know right, I usually don't even tell people if they ask "what are your hobbies?" Because the looks one gets when one says "I collect knives..." Yikes.
Haha, yep!! I get that at work sometimes. I'm "the knife guy" and there's a few other guys here that like knives, just not on the same level. They don't care about steels, handle materials and such. Some of the guys will joke around "Don't mess with Rick, he's probably got 6 knives on him today"

Nooo guys, actually only 3 :o :p
When their eyes glaze over and pupils dilate, you know they're thinking "serial killer?" or "militant survivalist?" Lol.

I guess my (sorta) against the grain is a lack of concern for edge retention. And trust me, I understand how holding an edge might be very important in various situations, I just don't find myself in those situations often, and when/if I ever do, I've got a nice supply of carbidey alloys to handle things. But generally I value toughness and don't mind touching up often.

Two things you don't talk about at work etc.... Depends on the work environment, but as a general rule....

Knives and guns...

You will be labeled.... ;)

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Re: Going against the grain

Postby Albatross » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:18 am

Ankerson wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:07 am
JonLeBlanc wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:03 am
TkoK83Spy wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:11 am
JonLeBlanc wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:55 am


Hah I know right, I usually don't even tell people if they ask "what are your hobbies?" Because the looks one gets when one says "I collect knives..." Yikes.
Haha, yep!! I get that at work sometimes. I'm "the knife guy" and there's a few other guys here that like knives, just not on the same level. They don't care about steels, handle materials and such. Some of the guys will joke around "Don't mess with Rick, he's probably got 6 knives on him today"

Nooo guys, actually only 3 :o :p
When their eyes glaze over and pupils dilate, you know they're thinking "serial killer?" or "militant survivalist?" Lol.

I guess my (sorta) against the grain is a lack of concern for edge retention. And trust me, I understand how holding an edge might be very important in various situations, I just don't find myself in those situations often, and when/if I ever do, I've got a nice supply of carbidey alloys to handle things. But generally I value toughness and don't mind touching up often.

Two things you don't talk about at work etc.... Depends on the work environment, but as a general rule....

Knives and guns...

You will be labeled.... ;)
Or do and enjoy the fact that the really annoying guy at work no longer bothers you.
sal wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:01 pm

...But in general, I'm all about high performance, Ergos, safety. That's why I've been accused of "deigning in the dark"...

sal

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Re: Going against the grain

Postby Ankerson » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:20 am

Albatross wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:18 am
Ankerson wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:07 am
JonLeBlanc wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:03 am
TkoK83Spy wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:11 am


Haha, yep!! I get that at work sometimes. I'm "the knife guy" and there's a few other guys here that like knives, just not on the same level. They don't care about steels, handle materials and such. Some of the guys will joke around "Don't mess with Rick, he's probably got 6 knives on him today"

Nooo guys, actually only 3 :o :p
When their eyes glaze over and pupils dilate, you know they're thinking "serial killer?" or "militant survivalist?" Lol.

I guess my (sorta) against the grain is a lack of concern for edge retention. And trust me, I understand how holding an edge might be very important in various situations, I just don't find myself in those situations often, and when/if I ever do, I've got a nice supply of carbidey alloys to handle things. But generally I value toughness and don't mind touching up often.

Two things you don't talk about at work etc.... Depends on the work environment, but as a general rule....

Knives and guns...

You will be labeled.... ;)
Or do and enjoy the fact that the really annoying guy at work no longer bothers you.

That's not the one you have to worry about. ;)

It's the higher ups once they get the word....

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Re: Going against the grain

Postby Albatross » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:24 am

Ankerson wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:20 am
Albatross wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:18 am
Ankerson wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:07 am
JonLeBlanc wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:03 am


When their eyes glaze over and pupils dilate, you know they're thinking "serial killer?" or "militant survivalist?" Lol.

I guess my (sorta) against the grain is a lack of concern for edge retention. And trust me, I understand how holding an edge might be very important in various situations, I just don't find myself in those situations often, and when/if I ever do, I've got a nice supply of carbidey alloys to handle things. But generally I value toughness and don't mind touching up often.

Two things you don't talk about at work etc.... Depends on the work environment, but as a general rule....

Knives and guns...

You will be labeled.... ;)
Or do and enjoy the fact that the really annoying guy at work no longer bothers you.

That's not the one you have to worry about. ;)

It's the higher ups once they get the word....
There was a guy I used to work with, who made comments about bringing throwing stars to work to throw at a superior. My boss never fired the guy, he was too afraid.
sal wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:01 pm

...But in general, I'm all about high performance, Ergos, safety. That's why I've been accused of "deigning in the dark"...

sal

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Re: Going against the grain

Postby Coffeetron » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:34 am

Against the grain:

I remove pocket clips on all folders, they feel unnatural when using the knife
I prefer heavier knives and screw construction handles
I dislike the choil heavy designs
I am not a fan of microscopic sized knives that many seem to enjoy
I prefer liners or titanium scales

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Re: Going against the grain

Postby prndltech » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:54 am

Coffeetron wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:34 am
Against the grain:

I remove pocket clips on all folders, they feel unnatural when using the knife
I prefer heavier knives and screw construction handles
I dislike the choil heavy designs
I am not a fan of microscopic sized knives that many seem to enjoy
I prefer liners or titanium scales
Where do you put them, just loose in the pocket?
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Re: Going against the grain

Postby jdw » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:58 am

prndltech wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:54 am
Coffeetron wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:34 am
Against the grain:

I remove pocket clips on all folders, they feel unnatural when using the knife
I prefer heavier knives and screw construction handles
I dislike the choil heavy designs
I am not a fan of microscopic sized knives that many seem to enjoy
I prefer liners or titanium scales
Where do you put them, just loose in the pocket?
I kind of wonder the same thing?? I replace clips, carry knives in my back pocket, and remove clips on small knives but I don't want a knife hitting me in the 'nads all day.
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Re: Going against the grain

Postby MichaelScott » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:13 am

I routinely carry hand made traditional slip joints with two or three blades. Generally I use leather pocket slips but not always like with my Alox. No clips, holes or studs. Plain old nail marks in 1095 carbon steel. Why? Makes me happy and connected with my grandfathers.
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Re: Going against the grain

Postby James Y » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:14 am

Oddly enough, almost everybody at my workplace knows I carry knives, including the two bosses/owners, and nobody minds at all. I work in a massage therapy/wellness center, a type of place many knife people might think would have workers who are nervous around someone with knives. Not so with me, because I’ve never made a big deal about it, and only ever brought them out to cut strapping or break down supply boxes, never showing them off. One of the two women who own the business recently joked, “That big tip you got could go towards a nice new knife!” :D

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Re: Going against the grain

Postby JuPaul » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:24 am

TkoK83Spy wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:11 am
JonLeBlanc wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:55 am
Mushroom wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:22 am
Its okay to collect knives.

Seems like that goes against the grain, for some reason, these days.
Hah I know right, I usually don't even tell people if they ask "what are your hobbies?" Because the looks one gets when one says "I collect knives..." Yikes.
Haha, yep!! I get that at work sometimes. I'm "the knife guy" and there's a few other guys here that like knives, just not on the same level. They don't care about steels, handle materials and such. Some of the guys will joke around "Don't mess with Rick, he's probably got 6 knives on him today"

Nooo guys, actually only 3 :o :p
Hahahaha! I get that from my own husband! Last weekend he teased me for carrying both a fixed blade and a folder on a hike. Funny thing was, I thought I was going light that day since the fixed blade was just my little Bow River!
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Re: Going against the grain

Postby Chumango » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:09 pm

Ankerson wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:20 am
Albatross wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:18 am
Ankerson wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:07 am
JonLeBlanc wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:03 am


When their eyes glaze over and pupils dilate, you know they're thinking "serial killer?" or "militant survivalist?" Lol.

I guess my (sorta) against the grain is a lack of concern for edge retention. And trust me, I understand how holding an edge might be very important in various situations, I just don't find myself in those situations often, and when/if I ever do, I've got a nice supply of carbidey alloys to handle things. But generally I value toughness and don't mind touching up often.

Two things you don't talk about at work etc.... Depends on the work environment, but as a general rule....

Knives and guns...

You will be labeled.... ;)
Or do and enjoy the fact that the really annoying guy at work no longer bothers you.

That's not the one you have to worry about. ;)

It's the higher ups once they get the word....
More than a couple people in my office carry concealed firearms. This is permitted, you could say even encouraged, by the management. It's good to live in the south and work for rednecks.

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Re: Going against the grain

Postby Ankerson » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:11 pm

Chumango wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:09 pm
Ankerson wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:20 am
Albatross wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:18 am
Ankerson wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:07 am



Two things you don't talk about at work etc.... Depends on the work environment, but as a general rule....

Knives and guns...

You will be labeled.... ;)
Or do and enjoy the fact that the really annoying guy at work no longer bothers you.

That's not the one you have to worry about. ;)

It's the higher ups once they get the word....
More than a couple people in my office carry concealed firearms. This is permitted, you could say even encouraged, by the management. It's good to live in the south and work for rednecks.

That's why I added "depends on the work environment".

I also live in the South, but believe me not all areas are the same. ;)
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Re: Going against the grain

Postby rangefinder » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:14 pm

Albatross wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:15 am
...
What are your "against the grain" thoughts, beliefs, or preferences?
...
I guess the point I'm slowly working towards is this; do carpenters go to hammer forums to geek out over new hammers, nails, levels, or tape measures? Do they want the most extreme materials, with custom colors and lightweight materials, sold in limited batches, from specific retailers?

For the first, I don't care for flippers or tip-up carry. Which is clearly against the grain of the industry as a whole since probably 90% of new knives made are flippers and tip-up carry.

For the second, yes, they do. For example, this is more geared towards mechanic (not carpentry) tools, but here's a forum with a tools section: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/

(I found the Garage Journal forum because I picked up an old tool box at a thrift store and was researching it. There's a thread that's over 500 pages just about vintage tool boxes: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/sho ... hp?t=49743)

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Re: Going against the grain

Postby prndltech » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:32 pm

rangefinder wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:14 pm
Albatross wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:15 am
...
What are your "against the grain" thoughts, beliefs, or preferences?
...
I guess the point I'm slowly working towards is this; do carpenters go to hammer forums to geek out over new hammers, nails, levels, or tape measures? Do they want the most extreme materials, with custom colors and lightweight materials, sold in limited batches, from specific retailers?

For the first, I don't care for flippers or tip-up carry. Which is clearly against the grain of the industry as a whole since probably 90% of new knives made are flippers and tip-up carry.

For the second, yes, they do. For example, this is more geared towards mechanic (not carpentry) tools, but here's a forum with a tools section: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/

(I found the Garage Journal forum because I picked up an old tool box at a thrift store and was researching it. There's a thread that's over 500 pages just about vintage tool boxes: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/sho ... hp?t=49743)
Can confirm. I have paid over $10,000 for a tool box. Just the box itself. Nothing in it.
The planter, the farmer, the mechanic, and the laborer... form the great body of the people of the United States, they are the bone and sinew of the country men who love liberty and desire nothing but equal rights and equal laws. - Andrew Jackson

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Re: Going against the grain

Postby jdw » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:49 pm

rangefinder wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:14 pm
Albatross wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:15 am
...
What are your "against the grain" thoughts, beliefs, or preferences?
...
I guess the point I'm slowly working towards is this; do carpenters go to hammer forums to geek out over new hammers, nails, levels, or tape measures? Do they want the most extreme materials, with custom colors and lightweight materials, sold in limited batches, from specific retailers?

For the first, I don't care for flippers or tip-up carry. Which is clearly against the grain of the industry as a whole since probably 90% of new knives made are flippers and tip-up carry.

For the second, yes, they do. For example, this is more geared towards mechanic (not carpentry) tools, but here's a forum with a tools section: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/

(I found the Garage Journal forum because I picked up an old tool box at a thrift store and was researching it. There's a thread that's over 500 pages just about vintage tool boxes: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/sho ... hp?t=49743)
Thank you. I believe you. 72 posts since 2009? And you wade in to this thread?? I really do believe.
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Re: Going against the grain

Postby Chumango » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:05 pm

Ankerson wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:11 pm

That's why I added "depends on the work environment".

I also live in the South, but believe me not all areas are the same. ;)
Yeah, I visit NC from time to time, and the vibe I get is that the research triangle and some areas around Charlotte are not as gun friendly as other parts of the state, and less so than most of TN (though Memphis and Chattanooga are not particularly friendly either.)


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