Compression Lock Military 2 Steel Poll
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:09 pm
Sal said he was open for steel suggestions as an alternative to S30V for the initial release of a possible Compression Lock Military 2. So suggest away!!
I almost selfishly voted for Cruwear :D but I too think that 20CV would do better for the general populace between the two.Surfingringo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:20 pmI selfishly voted for 4v just because i haven’t had a chance to try it. I think the best bets for making the highest number of buyers happy (not just us steel snobs) would be 20cv or s45vn.
Edit: switched my vote to 20cv. I also feel like s45vn should be in the poll. Given that it is a new steel and we know that Spyderco is planning to work with it, it seems it would be a likely suspect.
You left out what's probably the best steel for this application - LC200N. It's tougher than Cru-Wear, it's easier to sharpen, and it's extremely corrosion resistant. Just standing outside manning a gate in places like Iraq, in the heat of the summer, can cause one to sweat significantly. If the Military 2 is going to be a soldier's knife, it needs to be corrosion resistant, tough, and easy to sharpen. LC200N meets all three of those criteria.steelcity16 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:09 pmSal said he was open for steel suggestions as an alternative to S30V for the initial release of a possible Compression Lock Military 2. So suggest away!!
ugaarguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:34 pmYou left out what's probably the best steel for this application - LC200N. It's tougher than Cru-Wear, it's easier to sharpen, and it's extremely corrosion resistant. Just standing outside manning a gate in places like Iraq, in the heat of the summer, can cause one to sweat significantly. If the Military 2 is going to be a soldier's knife, it needs to be corrosion resistant, tough, and easy to sharpen. LC200N meets all three of those criteria.steelcity16 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:09 pmSal said he was open for steel suggestions as an alternative to S30V for the initial release of a possible Compression Lock Military 2. So suggest away!!
I don't know what BAU is. If we're going for a soldier's knife an LC200N blade (with or without the rest of the knife getting the full Salt treatment) makes the most sense for the base model, for the reasons I've listed. The exotic, hard to sharpen, low corrosion resistance, carbon steels should be left for later variants for afis.steelcity16 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:07 pmugaarguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:34 pmYou left out what's probably the best steel for this application - LC200N. It's tougher than Cru-Wear, it's easier to sharpen, and it's extremely corrosion resistant. Just standing outside manning a gate in places like Iraq, in the heat of the summer, can cause one to sweat significantly. If the Military 2 is going to be a soldier's knife, it needs to be corrosion resistant, tough, and easy to sharpen. LC200N meets all three of those criteria.steelcity16 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:09 pmSal said he was open for steel suggestions as an alternative to S30V for the initial release of a possible Compression Lock Military 2. So suggest away!!
I would love an LC200N Salt version, but I made the assumption that they aren't going to come out of the gate with this. This poll is for an S30V alternative for a non-Salt debut. I left S30V on there in case people want to keep it BAU.
Surfingringo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:20 pmI selfishly voted for 4v just because i haven’t had a chance to try it. I think the best bets for making the highest number of buyers happy (not just us steel snobs) would be 20cv or s45vn.
Edit: switched my vote to 20cv. I also feel like s45vn should be in the poll. Given that it is a new steel and we know that Spyderco is planning to work with it, it seems it would be a likely suspect.
ugaarguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:19 pmI don't know what BAU is. If we're going for a soldier's knife an LC200N blade (with or without the rest of the knife getting the full Salt treatment) makes the most sense for the base model, for the reasons I've listed. The exotic, hard to sharpen, low corrosion resistance, carbon steels should be left for later variants for afis.steelcity16 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:07 pmugaarguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:34 pmYou left out what's probably the best steel for this application - LC200N. It's tougher than Cru-Wear, it's easier to sharpen, and it's extremely corrosion resistant. Just standing outside manning a gate in places like Iraq, in the heat of the summer, can cause one to sweat significantly. If the Military 2 is going to be a soldier's knife, it needs to be corrosion resistant, tough, and easy to sharpen. LC200N meets all three of those criteria.steelcity16 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:09 pmSal said he was open for steel suggestions as an alternative to S30V for the initial release of a possible Compression Lock Military 2. So suggest away!!
I would love an LC200N Salt version, but I made the assumption that they aren't going to come out of the gate with this. This poll is for an S30V alternative for a non-Salt debut. I left S30V on there in case people want to keep it BAU.
That link is interesting, but my sweat (doing much less rigorous things post military service, in the summer humidity of the deep south and the midwest) has rusted the steel liners on a few Spydies. A respected member of this forum who's a sharpening guru says that Cru-Wear takes time, skills, and the proper tools to sharpen - https://youtu.be/YRhZCr58yb4&t=558s. I've sharpened LC200N on the bottom of a coffee mug in minutes. If the BBB says that Cru-Wear isn't that easy to sharpen, I'm taking his word for it. I also trust Larrin's toughness data.steelcity16 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:49 pmugaarguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:19 pmI don't know what BAU is. If we're going for a soldier's knife an LC200N blade (with or without the rest of the knife getting the full Salt treatment) makes the most sense for the base model, for the reasons I've listed. The exotic, hard to sharpen, low corrosion resistance, carbon steels should be left for later variants for afis.steelcity16 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:07 pmugaarguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:34 pm
You left out what's probably the best steel for this application - LC200N. It's tougher than Cru-Wear, it's easier to sharpen, and it's extremely corrosion resistant. Just standing outside manning a gate in places like Iraq, in the heat of the summer, can cause one to sweat significantly. If the Military 2 is going to be a soldier's knife, it needs to be corrosion resistant, tough, and easy to sharpen. LC200N meets all three of those criteria.
I would love an LC200N Salt version, but I made the assumption that they aren't going to come out of the gate with this. This poll is for an S30V alternative for a non-Salt debut. I left S30V on there in case people want to keep it BAU.
BAU = Business As Usual
I'm a big LC200N fan and huge Salt fan, but calling it tougher and easier to sharpen than Cruwear is a bit of a stretch. Not sure I agree with either of those statements, despite what one chart or another may say. Cruwear is also plenty corrosion resistant unless you are a Navy Seal or in the Coast Guard or a Fisherman or something where you will be on salt water, but even then I don't think I've seen anyone with corrosion on a Cruwear blade. Maybe Lance or Pelagic can opine here with their experience with Cruwear on the ocean. I don't oil or wipe down or do anything special to mine and they are fine, but I am not taking it out on a boat in the ocean either.
I still don't see them coming out with LC200N in a Non-Salt production model, and I don't think it will be released initially as a Salt, so I left it off for now. If they do a Salt after the fact like they did with the Native Salt, I will 100% buy one.
Interesting link on someone trying to patina Cruwear.
https://nemoknivesreview.com/2018/09/24 ... that-easy/