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VooDooChild wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:47 pm

I have been making myself cary my foliage green ce sabre grind endura 4 alot in preperation for the pacific salt 2. I think it will do just fine.
The e4 handle is always weird to me. Its one of those handles that I find takes a couple days of constant carry to adapt to. But once I do I have no problems.

T-1000 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:59 pm

Wartstein wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:37 pm

T-1000 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:57 am

I hope it stays the same just with the E4 handle. The pac salt is my favorite work knives and a thinner ffg blade would take away from that. It is a workhorse and doesn’t need to be made more delicate with a thin, slicey blade made from a super steel that’s going to jack the price way up. The thick Sabre ground blade with the sheepsfoot tip is a perfect design for guys like me that work outside in humid environments and don’t just use their knives for slicing sandwiches.

To be clear: I like the "thick sheepsfoot blade" of the Pac Salt a lot, but may I ask: Have you ever actually used a blade like the ffg Enduras (harder) "outside in humid enviroments"?
I do, and believe me: It can take a LOT more than just "sandwich slicing"...

I have, and got really turned off by the fact after some moderate use two ffg enduras that I have owned developed pretty bad vertical blade play, which may have been a total coincidence, but either way I sold them. However my sabre ground SE endura and SE pac salt I have used much harder and they lock up tight as can be. I can only think that the thicker blade stock makes up for the lack of torsional rigidity of a linerless knife. A linerless, ffg version of the pac salt IMO would not be as much of a hard use knife and the currently discontinued model that we all know and love. I dont see how they could make such a knife and it not feel flimsy during use. Believe me, I LOVE the Endura but got away from it at work because sweating all over my knife all day made the liners rust. The Pac Salt was the perfect solution to this. However I would be OK for an FFG version to be offered in conjunction with a sabre ground model though, just like the current E4 offerings.

Wartstein wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:48 am

T-1000 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:59 pm

Wartstein wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:37 pm

T-1000 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:57 am

I hope it stays the same just with the E4 handle. The pac salt is my favorite work knives and a thinner ffg blade would take away from that. It is a workhorse and doesn’t need to be made more delicate with a thin, slicey blade made from a super steel that’s going to jack the price way up. The thick Sabre ground blade with the sheepsfoot tip is a perfect design for guys like me that work outside in humid environments and don’t just use their knives for slicing sandwiches.

To be clear: I like the "thick sheepsfoot blade" of the Pac Salt a lot, but may I ask: Have you ever actually used a blade like the ffg Enduras (harder) "outside in humid enviroments"?
I do, and believe me: It can take a LOT more than just "sandwich slicing"...

I have, and got really turned off by the fact after some moderate use two ffg enduras that I have owned developed pretty bad vertical blade play, which may have been a total coincidence, but either way I sold them. However my sabre ground SE endura and SE pac salt I have used much harder and they lock up tight as can be. I can only think that the thicker blade stock makes up for the lack of torsional rigidity of a linerless knife. A linerless, ffg version of the pac salt IMO would not be as much of a hard use knife and the currently discontinued model that we all know and love. I dont see how they could make such a knife and it not feel flimsy during use. Believe me, I LOVE the Endura but got away from it at work because sweating all over my knife all day made the liners rust. The Pac Salt was the perfect solution to this. However I would be OK for an FFG version to be offered in conjunction with a sabre ground model though, just like the current E4 offerings.

Thanks for your reply!

Honestly, I absolutely can´t see why an ffg blade should be more prone to developing vertical blade play than the exact same blade in sg..??? The more so, since the blades are exactly of the same stock thickness in the pivot area?

And you really literally "can´t see, how a ffg versio of the [current] Pac Salt could NOT feel flimsy during use"? I guess we´re just different here concerning that.
If for you an ffg blade feels flimsy, it will both in the linerless Pac Salt and the linered Endura handle
If for you a linerless handle feels flimsy, it will both with an ffg and a sg blade.
Just my 2 cents of course, I can´t speak for you! :)

T-1000 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:52 am

Wartstein wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:48 am

T-1000 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:59 pm

Wartstein wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:37 pm

To be clear: I like the "thick sheepsfoot blade" of the Pac Salt a lot, but may I ask: Have you ever actually used a blade like the ffg Enduras (harder) "outside in humid enviroments"?
I do, and believe me: It can take a LOT more than just "sandwich slicing"...

I have, and got really turned off by the fact after some moderate use two ffg enduras that I have owned developed pretty bad vertical blade play, which may have been a total coincidence, but either way I sold them. However my sabre ground SE endura and SE pac salt I have used much harder and they lock up tight as can be. I can only think that the thicker blade stock makes up for the lack of torsional rigidity of a linerless knife. A linerless, ffg version of the pac salt IMO would not be as much of a hard use knife and the currently discontinued model that we all know and love. I dont see how they could make such a knife and it not feel flimsy during use. Believe me, I LOVE the Endura but got away from it at work because sweating all over my knife all day made the liners rust. The Pac Salt was the perfect solution to this. However I would be OK for an FFG version to be offered in conjunction with a sabre ground model though, just like the current E4 offerings.

Thanks for your reply!

Honestly, I absolutely can´t see why an ffg blade should be more prone to developing vertical blade play than the exact same blade in sg..??? The more so, since the blades are exactly of the same stock thickness in the pivot area?

And you really literally "can´t see, how a ffg versio of the [current] Pac Salt could NOT feel flimsy during use"? I guess we´re just different here concerning that.
If for you an ffg blade feels flimsy, it will both in the linerless Pac Salt and the linered Endura handle
If for you a linerless handle feels flimsy, it will both with an ffg and a sg blade.
Just my 2 cents of course, I can´t speak for you! :)

I cant explain why my ffg E4’s have all developed play while my sg models haven’t. Maybe less metal in the pivot area bc of the thinner blade and thinner lock bar. If the ffg and sg versions are the same thickness in the pivot area, that would mean there’s less metal in the ffg pivot, and less rigity. Even my ffg p4 has a a tiny vertical play and I haven’t cut much of anything with it. Anyway I said it may be coincidence but I’m not the only one who’s experienced this from what I’ve read on the forums.
And no I don’t feel the sg pacific salt is flimsy at all because of the thick bladestock/lockbar combined with the insanely tight lockup. I think it would be the combination of a long ffg blade with linerless handles that may give it a flimsy feel, unless the handles were made thicker proportionately to the blade length, like the native. I also didn’t mean that ffg Enduras are only good at slicing sammiches, just saying it seems like some of the people that want a super thin, slicey dicey Blade in some super steel in every Spyderco are really only going to carry it to the office and cut sandwiches with it. To me the sg just fits the purpose of the knife and makes up for the lack of steel liners. Of course Sal knows how to design a knife better than you or I so I’m sure whatever comes out will be killer and I’ll be getting one.

Anyway didn’t mean to cause an argument but thanks for the conversation.

Evil D wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:27 am

T-1000 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:52 am

Wartstein wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:48 am

T-1000 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:59 pm

I have, and got really turned off by the fact after some moderate use two ffg enduras that I have owned developed pretty bad vertical blade play, which may have been a total coincidence, but either way I sold them. However my sabre ground SE endura and SE pac salt I have used much harder and they lock up tight as can be. I can only think that the thicker blade stock makes up for the lack of torsional rigidity of a linerless knife. A linerless, ffg version of the pac salt IMO would not be as much of a hard use knife and the currently discontinued model that we all know and love. I dont see how they could make such a knife and it not feel flimsy during use. Believe me, I LOVE the Endura but got away from it at work because sweating all over my knife all day made the liners rust. The Pac Salt was the perfect solution to this. However I would be OK for an FFG version to be offered in conjunction with a sabre ground model though, just like the current E4 offerings.

Thanks for your reply!

Honestly, I absolutely can´t see why an ffg blade should be more prone to developing vertical blade play than the exact same blade in sg..??? The more so, since the blades are exactly of the same stock thickness in the pivot area?

And you really literally "can´t see, how a ffg versio of the [current] Pac Salt could NOT feel flimsy during use"? I guess we´re just different here concerning that.
If for you an ffg blade feels flimsy, it will both in the linerless Pac Salt and the linered Endura handle
If for you a linerless handle feels flimsy, it will both with an ffg and a sg blade.
Just my 2 cents of course, I can´t speak for you! :)

I cant explain why my ffg E4’s have all developed play while my sg models haven’t. Maybe less metal in the pivot area bc of the thinner blade and thinner lock bar. If the ffg and sg versions are the same thickness in the pivot area, that would mean there’s less metal in the ffg pivot, and less rigity. Even my ffg p4 has a a tiny vertical play and I haven’t cut much of anything with it. Anyway I said it may be coincidence but I’m not the only one who’s experienced this from what I’ve read on the forums.
And no I don’t feel the sg pacific salt is flimsy at all because of the thick bladestock/lockbar combined with the insanely tight lockup. I think it would be the combination of a long ffg blade with linerless handles that may give it a flimsy feel, unless the handles were made thicker proportionately to the blade length, like the native. I also didn’t mean that ffg Enduras are only good at slicing sammiches, just saying it seems like some of the people that want a super thin, slicey dicey Blade in some super steel in every Spyderco are really only going to carry it to the office and cut sandwiches with it. To me the sg just fits the purpose of the knife and makes up for the lack of steel liners. Of course Sal knows how to design a knife better than you or I so I’m sure whatever comes out will be killer and I’ll be getting one.

Anyway didn’t mean to cause an argument but thanks for the conversation.

I'd chalk it up as just poor luck. I'm pretty sure they use the exact same blade stock thickness, it's only the blade grind that is thinner so the lock and lock bar thickness etc should be identical. You should be able to swap the blades around in the different handles and see no difference.

Jazz wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:36 pm

I wonder if Sal would please confirm what color the Lc200n models will be. :)

Jazz wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:32 pm

I remember seeing the Lc200n Salts would be green, to differentiate them from the H1 models. Would be cool, if true. Of course, black would also be nice, for more discreetness for EDC. I like color and black.

Vivi wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:25 am

FFG and SG blades from the same model have the same thickness at the lock bar, lock interface and pivot area.

Woodpuppy wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:11 pm

I’d be in for a toxic green / black blade pac2!

Woodpuppy wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:11 pm

I’d be in for a toxic green / black blade pac2!