+1Evil D wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:34 amIt is horribly average. It's really amazing that we're living in a time when a steel like S30V can be thought of that way but the reality is there are steels that do what S30V does but also have better qualities in certain areas. Most steel traits come with a trade off, like high wear resistance usually means more difficult to sharpen, but with the right stones that isn't even a big deal anymore until you move all the way up to something like REX 121 but there are many steels "below" that level that are also a good bit "above" S30V that aren't anywhere near as hard to sharpen.
So really the only thing "wrong" with S30V are the options you have aside from it. If you just look at S90/110v you have two steels that have drastically better edge retention that in exchange aren't exactly difficult to sharpen and aren't any more prone to chipping and basically have only positive gains over S30V like also being more corrosion resistant.
But, everything is relative and that doesn't mean S30V is bad or not worthy. Just because a Honda Civic is slower than a Corvette doesn't make the Civic any less capable of getting you to and from work. There has to be a median steel option and S30V fills that role very well.
For the record, I didn't say s30v was boring, I said I think s30v+black scales is boring, because so many production Golden base models have this combo. I first tried a sprint because I wanted a new color (this was actually on a delica, so it was vg-10, not s30v, being "upgraded"), and that's actually what got me into trying other steels. I don't put my folders through hard repetitive use on a daily basis, so I rarely notice or care about minimial differences in edge retention, unless we're talking about a stark difference like PE h1 vs zdp. Where I do notice the differences are in ease of sharpening and in toughness (will I chip it), so those tend to be the factors that I look for and care about in new steels. S30v has been a good combo or easy to sharpen and tough enough, so I like it.Wartstein wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:48 amI know the following mght be very controversial and to be clear: I do NOT want to offend anyone by any means, it´s just what I think (and I could be wrong very well plus thoughts like this are not easy to correctly epress for me in English):
I think in a every group, in every context people want to belong, and want to be respected, that´s just how we are as human beings.
Now I also think in the "knife world" or even in the context of this forum, especially rather unexperienced people instinctivly (so I am NOT saying conscious or "planned"!!) perceive what they think an "experienced, seasoned knife person" would say or feel concerning certain topics.
And, just cause they want to belong or want to be taken seriously (again, instinctivly) just say the same or even PERCEIVE the same as they think presumably experienced knife people say or feel.
"S 30 V is boring ot even not good enough" imho is a classic example for what I tried to express above. I am convinced, that a fair share of people who say this, would NOT be able to distinct S30V from other more or less similar steels , if its name would not be stamped on the blade.
That does NOT mean such people are "liars"!! It´s rather like a placebo effect, where people REALLY benefit from a pill that in reality has no effect, just cause they THINK and were told, the pill WOULD have an effect.
Important: OF COURSE a LOT of people on this forum actually ARE capable to "distinct S30V from other steels" and know in reality more than enough to base their judgement of S30 V compared to other steels on their own, real experience.
/ BTW: I really like S30V (but could NEVER EVER distinct it from something like S35VN without stamps on the blade)