Is this a grip that you use?

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Do you use the index choil on your Spyderco with your thumb on the ramp?

Yes, it's my preferred grip.
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55%
Yes, but I grip behind the choil more frequently.
11
21%
I do not use that grip, but sometimes use choils with other grips.
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13%
I do not use that grip, or any variant of it.
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11%
 
Total votes: 53

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Is this a grip that you use?

Postby Vivi » Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:12 pm

With the talk about choils and detail work lately, I was curious about something.

I see a lot of people post pictures of them using this grip:

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I generally do not use this grip, because I find it uncomfortable for my thumb. Most Spyderco knives don't give my thumb enough room to comfortably extend to the thumb ramp while using the index choil.

Now on the Calypso I can scoot my hand back a bit and make that grip work for me. Same thing with my Police folders:

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But this isn't possible to do on many of the smaller designs that rely on a choil for a four finger grip.

This is one of the reasons you don't see me carrying designs like the Dragonfly, because they don't offer much in the way of alternatives for my grip.

I suppose I could wrap my thumb around their handles, but then cutting feels less precise, which negates one of the big draws of a smaller knife. I could also put my thumb on the spine, but then it's going to get in the way of what I'm cutting.

On my larger knives like the Calypso, Manix XL, Military and Police, I prefer gripping them behind the choil. The rare times I utilize the index choil, my thumb does not use the ramp.

Over the years I've realized that the most ergonomic Spydercos have my thumb extend about an inch past my index finger, and designs that don't allow that rarely stick around for me.

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For me, the ability to extend my thumb like in the above picture is a requirement for good ergonomics. I voted no.

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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby Wartstein » Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:45 pm

Vivi, since the two of us have discussed "grip stuff" several times already, you may know my reply already:

I almost never put my thumb on thumb ramp or spine of the blade, but almost always on the side / the flat of the blade, regardless if choked up on choil, Ricasso or edge or all fingers on the actual handle. Pic below
(see also my thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85026 )

For me the blade feels more stable and controllable that way and most likely actually IS in fact, since it can't move or cant sideways and the handle can't roll in the hand

Another advantage: More knife designs are comfortable that way, cause factors like thumb ramp or not, distance from thumb to ramp and so on don't come into play.

Still, I like the "hump", ramp and opening hole a lot, since it offers more surface to put the thumb on the side of the blade or even sideways a bit in the opening hole.

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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby dsvirsky » Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:49 pm

Depends on the knife, depends on what I'm doing, but yes, I often use that grip. FWIW, I wear a size medium glove and the fingers are always too long.

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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby Wartstein » Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:52 pm

Added to my post above: Here is how I hold a folder when not choking up:

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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby The Meat man » Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:09 pm

If I use an index choil, my thumb is usually on the spine of the blade ahead of the hump. Like the OP my thumb feels cramped if I try to place it behind the hump while using the choil.
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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby aaronkb » Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:11 pm

I use the chili, but my thumb naturally rests much further forward. In most cases, it feels like I have to bend my thumb back weirdly to use the ramp. But I have stupid-long fingers so that’s just me

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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby Evil D » Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:22 pm

It really depends on the knife. I almost never use the choil on a Military so using the thumb ramp is much more comfortable since my thumb isn't as scrunched up. It's probably 50/50 on my Dfly and that's one of the only "little big knives" I've had that felt decent behind the choil and it makes the saber grip much more comfortable. Overall though I'd have to say I am gravitating away from thumb ramps and towards models that can be gripped in Filipino grip. That is by far my favorite and most comfortable way to use most knives as long as my thumb isn't in the way.
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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby JuPaul » Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:52 pm

With my smaller hands this a very comfortable grip for me (in men's gloves I need a medium for length, but they're always too wide).
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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby Wartstein » Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:59 pm

Evil D wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:22 pm
It really depends on the knife. I almost never use the choil on a Military so using the thumb ramp is much more comfortable since my thumb isn't as scrunched up. It's probably 50/50 on my Dfly and that's one of the only "little big knives" I've had that felt decent behind the choil and it makes the saber grip much more comfortable. Overall though I'd have to say I am gravitating away from thumb ramps and towards models that can be gripped in Filipino grip. That is by far my favorite and most comfortable way to use most knives as long as my thumb isn't in the way.
May I ask: What is the "Filipino grip"?
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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby Evil D » Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:17 pm

Wartstein wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:59 pm
Evil D wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:22 pm
It really depends on the knife. I almost never use the choil on a Military so using the thumb ramp is much more comfortable since my thumb isn't as scrunched up. It's probably 50/50 on my Dfly and that's one of the only "little big knives" I've had that felt decent behind the choil and it makes the saber grip much more comfortable. Overall though I'd have to say I am gravitating away from thumb ramps and towards models that can be gripped in Filipino grip. That is by far my favorite and most comfortable way to use most knives as long as my thumb isn't in the way.
May I ask: What is the "Filipino grip"?

Thumb extended and relaxed forward on the spine of the blade, ala Yojumbo 2.
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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby PeaceInOurTime » Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:21 pm

I voted yes. Whenever using a choiled knife, that's the typical way I grip it. However, I use a variety of grips depending on what's comfortable for the situation. Especially when cutting with alot of force, I tend to keep my index finger further back or even use a "hammer" grip. Full size handles with extra grip options are a huge plus for me.

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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby TkoK83Spy » Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:30 pm

A lot of times I choke up, like the 2nd photo you posted. But instead of placing my thumb on the ramp, i place it over the hump, on the spine around half way down the blade. Gives me the best control with my cutting. The way you show it in the photo looks cramped, even for me sometimes...and I don't have those big ole meat paws like you either.
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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby sok » Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:40 pm

Yep. That first grip is my default grip. I move from there.
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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby Vivi » Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:43 pm

Wartstein wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:52 pm
Added to my post above: Here is how I hold a folder when not choking up:

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I use a grip closer to that when I'm doing food prep on a cutting board.
Evil D wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:22 pm
It really depends on the knife. I almost never use the choil on a Military so using the thumb ramp is much more comfortable since my thumb isn't as scrunched up. It's probably 50/50 on my Dfly and that's one of the only "little big knives" I've had that felt decent behind the choil and it makes the saber grip much more comfortable. Overall though I'd have to say I am gravitating away from thumb ramps and towards models that can be gripped in Filipino grip. That is by far my favorite and most comfortable way to use most knives as long as my thumb isn't in the way.
I've been doing the same. The lack of a thumb ramp was part of the appeal of the Waterway, and is one reason I've been interested in the Native Chief.

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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby Jazz » Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:37 pm

I use whatever grip feels right at the time. At work, that’s a lot of grips. I don’t mind the hump even, as in these pics.,,

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Not sure why, but as in the top pic, I like my index finger under the point of the grip, choil or not.
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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby Mushroom » Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:45 pm

I can usually adjust my grip on most knives to use them comfortably. Whether I'm using the choil and thumb ramp or not.

Like Jazz said, I also tend to adjust my grip depending on the situation. So, yes, I do use that grip on occasion.

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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby jpm2 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:46 pm

Using a Delica for reference...
The 1st grip might be used to cut 45 degrees down and away from me. The hand forward and closer to the blade and thumb close by behind the hump should provide extra force to the edge push cutting, vs the same grip with the hand moved back.

The second grip looks useful for forceful thrusting and piercing.
The 3rd one same as #2 but more so, and less control.

I've probably used these grips at times under unusual circumstances.

Most of the time, my thumb and fore finger are on each side of the blade, or
thumb on side of blade and fore finger somewhere on the spine, or
thumb on pivot and fore finger on side of blade,
with 3 fingers underneath for support.

Undecided on the vote.

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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby ladybug93 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:56 pm

i use that grip on all knives that have a choil. i kind of like the way my thumb is crammed against the ramp because it feels locked in and secure, which works well for more detailed cutting. if i’m cutting harder materials for longer durations, i’ll probably be using a fixed blade the fills the hand more and has more neutral ergos.

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i also frequently put my middle finger in the choil and my index finger along the spine with my thumb on the side of the blade.

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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby Doeswhateveraspidercan » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:33 pm

I let the knife talk to me. It says do this, pinch grip etc.. All part of the riddle of steel be silent allow the design to speak to yoU.
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Re: Is this a grip that you use?

Postby Doc Dan » Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:52 pm

I do use the thumb ramp. It helps lock the knife into my hand. I don’t use choil except on small knives.
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