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Wartstein wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:27 am

sal wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:50 pm

Hi Hank,

.......
FYI,

I'm working on a new design based on a modified Shaman pattern so I pulled out all of the original drawings. The first drawing of the Shaman was dated December 17, 2014. That can give you an idea of how long I work on some of these creations.

sal

I personally may hope it will be some kind of backlock-Shaman....?!

And maybe the second step towards making the "Native family" the line that offers EACH "familiy member" in both a comp lock and backlock version (like it is already the case with the Lil Native)? So Lil Native, Native, Shaman, Chief?
I still think, this would be a good idea, since these seem to be by far the two most popular Spyderco locktypes (I think the chance that one does NOT like both comp. lock and backlock are very small) and the Native familay a very popular "line".

Even did a poll about this very topic some time ago: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84760

This would be a good one to release in a non-S30V production steel. The market clearly wants some easily available knives in Cruwear/4V/3V. Why not go straight to Cruwear Micarta for this new model? If people start making a fuss about wanting a black S30V version then make that a sprint and see if it is as hard to get as the Cru-carta Shaman??

A Shaman Backlock would be pretty cool. I prefer the backlock to the comp lock, so this sounds pretty sweet.

Wartstein wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:27 am

sal wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:50 pm

Hi Hank,

.......
FYI,

I'm working on a new design based on a modified Shaman pattern so I pulled out all of the original drawings. The first drawing of the Shaman was dated December 17, 2014. That can give you an idea of how long I work on some of these creations.

sal

I personally may hope it will be some kind of backlock-Shaman....?!

And maybe the second step towards making the "Native family" the line that offers EACH "familiy member" in both a comp lock and backlock version (like it is already the case with the Lil Native)? So Lil Native, Native, Shaman, Chief?
I still think, this would be a good idea, since these seem to be by far the two most popular Spyderco locktypes (I think the chance that one does NOT like both comp. lock and backlock are very small) and the Native familay a very popular "line".

Even did a poll about this very topic some time ago: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84760

Before i saw these comments i wrote a similar one in Sal's Casual Bombshells-- and of course, Wartstein, thought of you in regards to a backlock Shaman. I would love one too.

I like the idea of a family suite of comp and back locks. I own both versions on the lil native. Can't wait to see the native # in a comp lock and native chief comp lock.

Anyways, back to the topic of cruwear micarta shaman. I got one coming next week. Thanks for posting the pics.

I'd honestly rather have them with CBBL than comp lock, but I think that's technically difficult for something as small as the Lil Native (and maybe the Native itself). I'd love to see a Shaman back lock though. The comp lock isn't my favorite, so there are lots of knives that I like _despite_ (rather than because of) the comp lock.

Shaman with a push button comp lock like the Smock would be awesome. And with the large figer choil, it seems like it could be done without altering the blade shape.

Cru-wear Shaman inbound! :)

Yes, I hope Spyderco updates most compression lock knives to have push button. PM2 and Shaman would be great with the smock style push button.

Sharp Guy wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:18 pm

Cru-wear Shaman inbound! :)

Got my shipping notice today.

Having struck out with OpFocus and MAP opportunities, I went to BBS for MSRP+. Happily, I might add. I wanted this particular knife.

I think the model is simply superb and I needed a second Cruwear blade in a different model (have it in a Manix2) to sort out what I think of the steel.

I’m so glad Sal now sees there is real demand for this model, and in yet more steels in greater volumes.

Hi Hamilton,

I'm mostly a Broncos fan, when time allows.

To try to fit a lock-back into the Shaman pattern would be challenging without making many mods. there isn't enough room for the big blade and a back-lock.

sal

Leader2light wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:26 pm

Yes, I hope Spyderco updates most compression lock knives to have push button. PM2 and Shaman would be great with the smock style push button.

Yep. And why stop there? Para3, lil native...seems like any comp lock with a finger choil cut out could work, right?

JuPaul wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:25 pm

Leader2light wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:26 pm

Yes, I hope Spyderco updates most compression lock knives to have push button. PM2 and Shaman would be great with the smock style push button.

Yep. And why stop there? Para3, lil native...seems like any comp lock with a finger choil cut out could work, right?

I don´t know much about the push button comp. lock (and frankly: Personally I am not interested in that kind of lock), but looking at the smock I could imagine that the "cutout" of the PM2 choil is not wide and especially DEEP enough for that kind of mechanism?
Maybe a topic for a dedicated thread though and not for the "Shaman Cru-Wear" - thread...

This thread derailed a long time ago (and i don't exclude myself as guilty)

sal wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:08 pm

To try to fit a lock-back into the Shaman pattern would be challenging without making many mods. there isn't enough room for the big blade and a back-lock.

sal

Thanks for the response RE backlock Shaman. Makes sense when I look more closely at mine. While I do generally prefer backlocks, I do enjoy the comp lock on the Shaman. I really like the strong detent. I think it is my only detent-based knife that I can't shake open.

Wow. It looks like BBS sold out of these too--at $320+shipping.

Back to the point of this thread...Is bladeHQ the last folks to have any to release?

What is to stop them from just raising the price like bento box? These are already going for $400 on eBay.

TomAiello wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:34 pm

Wow. It looks like BBS sold out of these too--at $320+shipping.

Saw that too. Incredible.

mb1 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:52 pm

TomAiello wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:34 pm

Wow. It looks like BBS sold out of these too--at $320+shipping.

Saw that too. Incredible.

Tho I wonder if they may be getting another shipment, like DLT and maybe others. The BBS site says "temporarily out of stock."

Leader2light wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:37 pm

What is to stop them from just raising the price like bento box? These are already going for $400 on eBay.

Nothing. They can decide what they want to charge, just like all the other retailers. With these super fast sell outs, it might make financial sense to hold them for a day or two and then put them up at a premium price. Or it might not. That's up to their business strategy.

Leader2light wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:26 pm

Yes, I hope Spyderco updates most compression lock knives to have push button. PM2 and Shaman would be great with the smock style push button.

Hard no.

Nothing against the smock, but part of the genius of the comp lock is no matter how hard you grip it, the web of your hand is prevented from exerting lock-loosening pressure. This includes when you choke up to the choil and completely cover the lock cutout.

Knives that have their lock mechanism on the side of the knife near the pivot are vulnerable to accidental lock movement, as the mechanism on the side is right underneath your knuckle joint. My speculation is that designers have to either A. Not have choils to discourage choking up (axis lock knives) or B. have the lock mechanism low profile enough that your knuckle joint can't affect it (CBBL knives).

My main problem with button locks is that unless the button is actually recessed, gripping the knife hard when choked up leads to partial lock disengagement.

curlyhairedboy wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:41 pm

Knives that have their lock mechanism on the side of the knife near the pivot are vulnerable to accidental lock movement, as the mechanism on the side is right underneath your knuckle joint. My speculation is that designers have to either A. Not have choils to discourage choking up (axis lock knives) or B. have the lock mechanism low profile enough that your knuckle joint can't affect it (CBBL knives).

Option C would be having a lock that locks harder with pressure (like a RIL). Another option would be a lock that has a secondary locking mechanism to prevent it from opening (like Lionsteel's Rotoblock).

Your point is totally valid for the Smock style button though. And I can definitely see a button creating a problem on a hard use folder like a Shaman, where I can easily see myself bearing down hard during some uses.