curlyhairedboy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:20 amThere definitely were a bunch of early Shaman critics, and in many ways the knife from a purely spec-based perspective seemed underwhelming to some opinionmakers.
You had a bunch of people say it was nothing special (black and s30v, snoooooze)
You had a bunch more people say that it was barely worth it at its previous price point, and that it was an even worse value at the increased price point.
I hope that with enough Shamans now in the market and in the aftermarket, people are realizing that the knife is far more than the sum of its parts, especially in hand and when cutting.
sal wrote:Knife afi's are pretty far out, steel junky's more so, but "edge junky's" are just nuts.![]()
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: Also, do you think a kangaroo would eat a bowl of spagetti with sauce if someone offered it to them?
Dang Darby, now you're just rubbing it in...
Probably people just getting lucky and stumbling on them. That's how I purchased mine, I just periodically refreshed the product page across about 15 retailers and happened to hit it at the right time on one, a couple minutes before their in stock email was sent out.God'sMyJudge wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:11 pmI dont understand. How are these selling out so quickly? In seconds??? before the server can even send out an instock email?
sal wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:23 amHank Scorpio wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:55 am
Sal, I’m just adding to the din at this point, but I’d say after all this uproar, Spyderco is looking at plenty of additional margin ripe for the taking.
Like they say, scratch where it itches. When a sprint is selling out in minutes or even seconds, that’s a big itch.
Just my 0.02, but I’d wager another ~1200 piece Crucarta sprint (denim? probably doesn’t matter too much) AND a ~2400 piece “double” sprint in K390 and micarta (OD Green?) would have no trouble flying off the shelves.
Great opportunity to capitalize and turn this big win (with residual disappointment as evidenced here in the forum) into an even bigger win.
Hi Hank,
We operate on pretty fixed margins. Enough to run our company and take care of our crew. We'll make less on some makers because their prices are very high, but we don't generally raise prices on a hot item. We feel that "to charge as much as the market will bare" is biting the hand that feeds you.
sal
Not my intention and not my style.SpyderPhreak wrote: Dang Darby, now you're just rubbing it in...![]()
sal wrote:Knife afi's are pretty far out, steel junky's more so, but "edge junky's" are just nuts.![]()
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: Also, do you think a kangaroo would eat a bowl of spagetti with sauce if someone offered it to them?
Just giving you a hard time brother. Especially since you already had posted that pic.bearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:21 pmNot my intention and not my style.SpyderPhreak wrote: Dang Darby, now you're just rubbing it in...![]()
No schadenfreude here. I hope everybody who wants one gets one and I have even been trying to grab a second just to pass on to one of my fellow forumites.
I figured folks would like to see one getting carried and used instead of being flipped or locked up in a safe.![]()
sal wrote:Knife afi's are pretty far out, steel junky's more so, but "edge junky's" are just nuts.![]()
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: Also, do you think a kangaroo would eat a bowl of spagetti with sauce if someone offered it to them?
JRinFL wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:47 amTrue, "all want is pain".bearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:11 amIt is easy for me to say it because I already have one but...
This is a hobby and hobbies are supposed to be fun. If you are not enjoying yourself then you aren’t doing it right.
Now I’ll get a little Buddhist on you. Desire is the root of suffering. It is ok to want something but it is unhealthy to allow it to overpower you.![]()
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I missed out on the Jade/M4 and Red/4V Shamans. Luckily a kind forum member helped me out with the Jade. I was bummed about the 4V but life went on. My wishlist of knives still exceeds how many I can enjoy or afford so I just focus my eyes on the next shiny object.
As to others comparing it to a kidney, well keep in mind actual kidneys are few and far between on transplant schedule, for good reasons. No one is making spares. However, this knife has a completely artificial shortage which is creating this stress. It is a model many, many people want but the decision was made to stick with the low limit of 1200 items. With the years of demand for Cruwear models I really do not think it was much a stretch to make twice that or to even make it a standard offering. Of course, not my company, not my decision. For some of us this model is *exactly* what we want, not red 4v, not Rosewood, etc. Now, I have one on preorder so I am not constantly refreshing or worrying about near instant sellouts. If I do not get one, I will be disappointed. It is rarely a good business practice to disappoint a customer who is willing to spend money with your company. Sal already says he is working on it, so I'm not going belabor the point further.
Good luck to everyone who wants one. To those who have one, keep posting especially if you actually use it as intended.
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I'm going to accept Sal's explanation that it was a simple underestimation of demand for this model.jdw wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:35 pmJRinFL wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:47 amTrue, "all want is pain".bearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:11 amIt is easy for me to say it because I already have one but...
This is a hobby and hobbies are supposed to be fun. If you are not enjoying yourself then you aren’t doing it right.
Now I’ll get a little Buddhist on you. Desire is the root of suffering. It is ok to want something but it is unhealthy to allow it to overpower you.![]()
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I missed out on the Jade/M4 and Red/4V Shamans. Luckily a kind forum member helped me out with the Jade. I was bummed about the 4V but life went on. My wishlist of knives still exceeds how many I can enjoy or afford so I just focus my eyes on the next shiny object.
As to others comparing it to a kidney, well keep in mind actual kidneys are few and far between on transplant schedule, for good reasons. No one is making spares. However, this knife has a completely artificial shortage which is creating this stress. It is a model many, many people want but the decision was made to stick with the low limit of 1200 items. With the years of demand for Cruwear models I really do not think it was much a stretch to make twice that or to even make it a standard offering. Of course, not my company, not my decision. For some of us this model is *exactly* what we want, not red 4v, not Rosewood, etc. Now, I have one on preorder so I am not constantly refreshing or worrying about near instant sellouts. If I do not get one, I will be disappointed. It is rarely a good business practice to disappoint a customer who is willing to spend money with your company. Sal already says he is working on it, so I'm not going belabor the point further.
Good luck to everyone who wants one. To those who have one, keep posting especially if you actually use it as intended.
(edited for clarity)
I guess that it is a good business practice to create an artificial demand to show retailers that customers will go into a feeding frenzy for a specific product. You can then load your production cue with expensive exclusives as the retailers line up with dollar signs in their eyes. As the producer you have tied up less money and have less risk on the relatively few of the first sprint production models that you made and then you have others paying for producing additional models, reducing your risk of being the one holding dead stock.
Very well said!curlyhairedboy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:22 pmIf the low costs of s30v and black G10 are the primary enablers of the wide variety of new models and collaborations, that's something I'd rather keep. Variety in steel is fantastic, variety in design is essential.