Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby Enactive » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:34 pm

BBS has them up again. Shipping on Nov 1.

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby hambone56rx » Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:40 am

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Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:08 pm
Hi Hamilton,

I'm mostly a Broncos fan, when time allows.

To try to fit a lock-back into the Shaman pattern would be challenging without making many mods. there isn't enough room for the big blade and a back-lock.

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby BLM » Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:41 am

Enactive wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:34 pm
BBS has them up again. Shipping on Nov 1.

Well I said heck with it and ordered one with BBS
I do have a pre order in with knifecenter but not sure if that will pan out if I get both I will pass one on
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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby cycleguy » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:37 am

Anyone remember the Denver Spurs... the Coliseum... and 5 cent beer night ?

Here is some interesting trivia for your next cocktail party ... "They were the first professional sports team in Colorado to win a championship"!!!

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby cycleguy » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:57 am

A couple years from now, do you think these Cruwear Micarta Shamans will be selling for more, or less, or about the same as the current mark-up range of $300-$400???

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby Enactive » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:59 am

cycleguy wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:57 am
A couple years from now, do you think these Cruwear Micarta Shamans will be selling for more, or less, or about the same as the current mark-up range of $300-$400???

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Depends A LOT on how many other runs of Crucarta Shaman are built.

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby mb1 » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:24 am

Enactive wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:59 am
cycleguy wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:57 am
A couple years from now, do you think these Cruwear Micarta Shamans will be selling for more, or less, or about the same as the current mark-up range of $300-$400???

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Depends A LOT on how many other runs of Crucarta Shaman are built.
Yeah. I’d use the PM2 Cruwear sprint as an example. The exclusive Cruwear model did a bit to temper that value increase I believe.
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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby sal » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:00 am

Hi BLM,

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby Leader2light » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:22 am

Enactive wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:59 am
cycleguy wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:57 am
A couple years from now, do you think these Cruwear Micarta Shamans will be selling for more, or less, or about the same as the current mark-up range of $300-$400???

CG
Depends A LOT on how many other runs of Crucarta Shaman are built.
Also depends if they actually do a PM and Shaman ultra version with push-button instead of a standard compression lock.

I hope they are seriously looking into this, as the PM2 ultra for sale with push-button mod is amazing. And of course, the smock is my favorite fidget knife.

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby Sharp Guy » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:44 am

Leader2light wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:22 am

Also depends if they actually do a PM and Shaman ultra version with push-button instead of a standard compression lock.

I hope they are seriously looking into this, as the PM2 ultra for sale with push-button mod is amazing. And of course, the smock is my favorite fidget knife.
Did I miss something? What's making you think Sal might actually implement this? If he thought a push button on the side was a better way to go wouldn't he design it that way in the first place? Personally I don't see it as an improvement, not even as a fidget toy.
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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby sal » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:33 pm

Hi Leader2light,

Th push button release used on the Smock was part of our original patent on the Compression lock along with several other release method. I opted for the current, and simplest, release for safety reasons. We'll watch the Smock model for a while. I know that it's a good "fidget factor", but function carries a lot of weight in my decisions.

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby koenigsegg » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:47 pm

If you could make the lock cutout a choil that would help
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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby Leader2light » Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:00 pm

sal wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:33 pm
Hi Leader2light,

Th push button release used on the Smock was part of our original patent on the Compression lock along with several other release method. I opted for the current, and simplest, release for safety reasons. We'll watch the Smock model for a while. I know that it's a good "fidget factor", but function carries a lot of weight in my decisions.

sal
That is great to hear. I would love to see other release methods also! I can't say enough good things about the smock push-button release. The PM2 "Ultra" mod is pretty popular now as well which I am sure you guys know about.

I personally try and collect every Spyderco compression lock knife. For me, they are the most unique and fun knives. Something like a liner lock/frame lock is just so unappealing to me, even though it is a very reliable and popular design.

For me, a knife is not only a tool but also a fidget item to help me relax. I just got the Amalgam yesterday. Takes a little getting used to, but now I love it!

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby Leader2light » Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm

Sharp Guy wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:44 am
Leader2light wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:22 am

Also depends if they actually do a PM and Shaman ultra version with push-button instead of a standard compression lock.

I hope they are seriously looking into this, as the PM2 ultra for sale with push-button mod is amazing. And of course, the smock is my favorite fidget knife.
Did I miss something? What's making you think Sal might actually implement this? If he thought a push button on the side was a better way to go wouldn't he design it that way in the first place? Personally I don't see it as an improvement, not even as a fidget toy.
If a push-button can be implemented without any compromise compared to a standard compression lock tab, pretty sure most people would see that as an upgrade. The only issue I can see is you need to make room for it in your design. That is why the smock has the large blade choil.

The PM2 Ultra simply takes a left-hand style PM2 and adds a button on the other side to create a push-button compression lock. No blade changes needed.

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby TomAiello » Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:14 pm

Leader2light wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm
If a push-button can be implemented without any compromise compared to a standard compression lock tab, pretty sure most people would see that as an upgrade. The only issue I can see is you need to make room for it in your design. That is why the smock has the large blade choil.
As someone already pointed out, their is a possible downside in accidentally unlocking the blade when applying a lot of pressure on the knife handle (like a tight grip for some kind of hard use cutting).

I don't think it's a no-brainer. There are going to be advantages and disadvantages that need to be considered in the overall design of the knife.

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby Leader2light » Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:26 pm

TomAiello wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:14 pm
Leader2light wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm
If a push-button can be implemented without any compromise compared to a standard compression lock tab, pretty sure most people would see that as an upgrade. The only issue I can see is you need to make room for it in your design. That is why the smock has the large blade choil.
As someone already pointed out, their is a possible downside in accidentally unlocking the blade when applying a lot of pressure on the knife handle (like a tight grip for some kind of hard use cutting).

I don't think it's a no-brainer. There are going to be advantages and disadvantages that need to be considered in the overall design of the knife.
No design is perfect. I doubt the Smock is the last push button compression Spyderco. I for one would be sad if it was.

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby curlyhairedboy » Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:40 pm

My concept of a compromise-free button compression lock would involve a stiffer spring and a significantly recessed button. I'm not knocking the smock at all, but I don't see a button compression lock as an unqualified improvement. I like being able to flush the lock, and a button could trap debris.
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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby TkoK83Spy » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:01 pm

Leader2light wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm
Sharp Guy wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:44 am
Leader2light wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:22 am

Also depends if they actually do a PM and Shaman ultra version with push-button instead of a standard compression lock.

I hope they are seriously looking into this, as the PM2 ultra for sale with push-button mod is amazing. And of course, the smock is my favorite fidget knife.
Did I miss something? What's making you think Sal might actually implement this? If he thought a push button on the side was a better way to go wouldn't he design it that way in the first place? Personally I don't see it as an improvement, not even as a fidget toy.
If a push-button can be implemented without any compromise compared to a standard compression lock tab, pretty sure most people would see that as an upgrade. The only issue I can see is you need to make room for it in your design. That is why the smock has the large blade choil.

The PM2 Ultra simply takes a left-hand style PM2 and adds a button on the other side to create a push-button compression lock. No blade changes needed.
Fidget spinners are a lot cheaper and A LOT less dangerous...just a little food for thought.
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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby Leader2light » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:14 pm

http://www.bentoboxshop.com/images/PE_B ... Shaman.jpg

Bento still has them for $320. Ship Nov 1st. I guess most people don't like overpaying by around $100 as they sure are not selling out in seconds as other places did.

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Re: Shaman Cru-Wear Sprint Run release ?

Postby Evil D » Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:19 pm

Leader2light wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:14 pm
http://www.bentoboxshop.com/images/PE_B ... Shaman.jpg

Bento still has them for $320. Ship Nov 1st. I guess most people don't like overpaying by around $100 as they sure are not selling out in seconds as other places did.


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