Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Discuss Spyderco's products and history.
benben
Member
Posts: 499
Joined: Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:34 pm
Location: Gastonia, North Carolina.

Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby benben » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:22 pm

So what's the consensus on PD1? I know a good while back Calavera Cutlery stopped using 3V and started using PD1 in their El Patron folder, just curious the opinions of those here who's tried it?

User avatar
jpm2
Member
Posts: 815
Joined: Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:40 pm
Location: TX - in the sticks

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby jpm2 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:56 pm

Odd they're still available, considering all the requests for cruwear.

User avatar
Cambertree
Member
Posts: 689
Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:48 am
Location: Victoria, Australia

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby Cambertree » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:24 pm

Yeah, makes me think that part of the market appetite for Cruwear is similar to the hype for M390 a while ago which didn't extend to CTS-204P and CPM 20CV.

It's a Cruwear/Zwear analogue from Carpenter. I haven't tried it, but I've been favorably impressed by all the Carpenter steels I've used.

JuPaul
Member
Posts: 1568
Joined: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:06 am

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby JuPaul » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:31 pm

So, I've thought about getting a pd#1 mule, but this question has stopped me: all the love for cruwear is really for CPM cruwear (like spyderco uses). In at least one of Larrin's articles, he notes performance difference btw Cruwear and CPM Cruwear. So when I hear pd#1 is analogous to cru-wear, I assume that means to Cruwear's chemical comp, but not the CPM process. Maybe someone can expkain to me if Carpenter uses a similar process on PD#1?? I'd definitely buy one in that case.
Attachments
20190926_193622_compress4.jpg
From this article: https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/05/20/how-to-pick-the-best-steel-for-every-knife/
- Julia

"Be excellent to each other." - Bill S. Preston, Esq.

The Meat man
Member
Posts: 3255
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:01 pm
Location: Missouri, USA

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby The Meat man » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:45 pm

JuPaul wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:31 pm
So, I've thought about getting a pd#1 mule, but this question has stopped me: all the love for cruwear is really for CPM cruwear (like spyderco uses). In at least one of Larrin's articles, he notes performance difference btw Cruwear and CPM Cruwear. So when I hear pd#1 is analogous to cru-wear, I assume that means to Cruwear's chemical comp, but not the CPM process. Maybe someone can expkain to me if Carpenter uses a similar process on PD#1?? I'd definitely buy one in that case.

Carpenter's PD#1 is a powder steel. They don't call it "CPM" obviously because that is a trademark; their term for it is "Micro-Melt". It's the same technology though.
- Connor

"You live and learn. At any rate, you live."

JuPaul
Member
Posts: 1568
Joined: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:06 am

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby JuPaul » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:49 pm

The Meat man wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:45 pm
JuPaul wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:31 pm
So, I've thought about getting a pd#1 mule, but this question has stopped me: all the love for cruwear is really for CPM cruwear (like spyderco uses). In at least one of Larrin's articles, he notes performance difference btw Cruwear and CPM Cruwear. So when I hear pd#1 is analogous to cru-wear, I assume that means to Cruwear's chemical comp, but not the CPM process. Maybe someone can expkain to me if Carpenter uses a similar process on PD#1?? I'd definitely buy one in that case.

Carpenter's PD#1 is a powder steel. They don't call it "CPM" obviously because that is a trademark; their term for it is "Micro-Melt". It's the same technology though.
So it'd have the same enhanced toughness, for example, as CPM Cruwear over regular Cruwear? In that case, bring on that mule! Oh wait...i just spent all my money on discontinued knives. :(
- Julia

"Be excellent to each other." - Bill S. Preston, Esq.

The Meat man
Member
Posts: 3255
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:01 pm
Location: Missouri, USA

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby The Meat man » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:54 pm

JuPaul wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:49 pm
The Meat man wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:45 pm
JuPaul wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:31 pm
So, I've thought about getting a pd#1 mule, but this question has stopped me: all the love for cruwear is really for CPM cruwear (like spyderco uses). In at least one of Larrin's articles, he notes performance difference btw Cruwear and CPM Cruwear. So when I hear pd#1 is analogous to cru-wear, I assume that means to Cruwear's chemical comp, but not the CPM process. Maybe someone can expkain to me if Carpenter uses a similar process on PD#1?? I'd definitely buy one in that case.

Carpenter's PD#1 is a powder steel. They don't call it "CPM" obviously because that is a trademark; their term for it is "Micro-Melt". It's the same technology though.
So it'd have the same enhanced toughness, for example, as CPM Cruwear over regular Cruwear? In that case, bring on that mule! Oh wait...i just spent all my money on discontinued knives. :(

It should, yes. I actually have a PD#1 Mule but I haven't finished making the handles yet. I have a couple slabs of ebony wood I'm planning to use. Might be a good project for this winter.
- Connor

"You live and learn. At any rate, you live."

tjsblade
Member
Posts: 84
Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:49 pm

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby tjsblade » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:31 pm

I've been using a PD#1 mule in the kitchen for about 4 months. I certainly have other knives that are made specifically for kitchen duties but having it in the same location as my kitchen knives reminds me to use it regularly. Overall I'm really liking it. It is surprisingly stain / corrosion resistant. I have some very, very minor patina but I let it sit for a long time in acidic foods before I get around to washing it. An hour or two after food prep.
One factory side was almost bang on 15 dps. The other side had a lot of variation along the length of the bevel. I ended up re-profiling it on a Wicked edge at 14dps.
I can get the steel sticky sharp without too much effort and I'm happy thus far with how long the edge lasts. I cut almost exclusively on a Hinoki cutting board so the blade isn't hitting anything really that would be hard on the edge. This is probably lending to the longevity of the working edge.
Last edited by tjsblade on Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Shaggy Dog
Member
Posts: 21
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:12 pm

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby Shaggy Dog » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:39 pm

Delete

User avatar
Cambertree
Member
Posts: 689
Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:48 am
Location: Victoria, Australia

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby Cambertree » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:01 pm

JuPaul wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:49 pm
The Meat man wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:45 pm
JuPaul wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:31 pm
So, I've thought about getting a pd#1 mule, but this question has stopped me: all the love for cruwear is really for CPM cruwear (like spyderco uses). In at least one of Larrin's articles, he notes performance difference btw Cruwear and CPM Cruwear. So when I hear pd#1 is analogous to cru-wear, I assume that means to Cruwear's chemical comp, but not the CPM process. Maybe someone can expkain to me if Carpenter uses a similar process on PD#1?? I'd definitely buy one in that case.

Carpenter's PD#1 is a powder steel. They don't call it "CPM" obviously because that is a trademark; their term for it is "Micro-Melt". It's the same technology though.
So it'd have the same enhanced toughness, for example, as CPM Cruwear over regular Cruwear? In that case, bring on that mule! Oh wait...i just spent all my money on discontinued knives. :(
Ha ha I feel your pain! Yeah, part of the reason why CPM Cruwear tends to just be referred to as Cruwear is that the ingot versions are no longer made, so there's no chance of confusing the two.

User avatar
dj moonbat
Member
Posts: 1212
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:58 am
Location: Sunny SoCal

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby dj moonbat » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:04 pm

I'm sure it's good. Cru-Wear is good, and PD1, as noted above, is the same basic stuff.

User avatar
sal
Member
Posts: 12766
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:00 pm
Location: Golden, Colorado USA

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby sal » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:44 pm

Interesting stuff about Mule Teams might be coming. :cool: :p

sal

TomAiello
Member
Posts: 3726
Joined: Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:34 pm
Location: Twin Falls, ID

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby TomAiello » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:04 pm

sal wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:44 pm
Interesting stuff about Mule Teams might be coming. :cool: :p

sal
:)

!!!

JuPaul
Member
Posts: 1568
Joined: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:06 am

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby JuPaul » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:11 pm

Cambertree wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:01 pm
JuPaul wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:49 pm
The Meat man wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:45 pm
JuPaul wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:31 pm
So, I've thought about getting a pd#1 mule, but this question has stopped me: all the love for cruwear is really for CPM cruwear (like spyderco uses). In at least one of Larrin's articles, he notes performance difference btw Cruwear and CPM Cruwear. So when I hear pd#1 is analogous to cru-wear, I assume that means to Cruwear's chemical comp, but not the CPM process. Maybe someone can expkain to me if Carpenter uses a similar process on PD#1?? I'd definitely buy one in that case.

Carpenter's PD#1 is a powder steel. They don't call it "CPM" obviously because that is a trademark; their term for it is "Micro-Melt". It's the same technology though.
So it'd have the same enhanced toughness, for example, as CPM Cruwear over regular Cruwear? In that case, bring on that mule! Oh wait...i just spent all my money on discontinued knives. :(
Ha ha I feel your pain! Yeah, part of the reason why CPM Cruwear tends to just be referred to as Cruwear is that the ingot versions are no longer made, so there's no chance of confusing the two.
And this is why I like this forum...I learn something new every day!
- Julia

"Be excellent to each other." - Bill S. Preston, Esq.

User avatar
Mattysc42
Member
Posts: 198
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:58 pm

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby Mattysc42 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:26 pm

sal wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:44 pm
Interesting stuff about Mule Teams might be coming. :cool: :p

sal
This comment, the mention of more k390, along with the multiple shaman variants have made my year.
Currently pondering the mysteries of the universe, such as: Who is this Nuff person, and why is he quoted for saying just about everything?

Top 5 knives I’ve owned: Serrated Caribbean Leaf, Shaman, Manix XL, ZDP-189/CF Caly 3.5, Native LW.
Top 5 steels I’ve owned: LC200N, K390, CPM S90V, M390, CPM M4.
Top 3 steels I want more of: M390 class, A11 class (including K390), serrated LC200N.

User avatar
standy99
Member
Posts: 553
Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:07 am
Location: Between Broome and Cairns somewhere

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby standy99 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:23 pm

Bought the CPM 20CV and the PD#1 mule

M390 and Cruwear comparisons would be right.

PD#1 stayed sharp for the longest
Im a vegetarian as technically cows are made of grass and water.

User avatar
Cambertree
Member
Posts: 689
Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:48 am
Location: Victoria, Australia

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby Cambertree » Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:02 am

JuPaul wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:11 pm
And this is why I like this forum...I learn something new every day!
Same here, my friend, it's a great learning resource! ;)
standy99 wrote: Bought the CPM 20CV and the PD#1 mule

M390 and Cruwear comparisons would be right.

PD#1 stayed sharp for the longest
Good one Standy, so you've had 'em in action for a while?

How did the PD1 Mule perform regarding corrosion resistance up there in the tropical north?

Any other comments regarding the two steels?

User avatar
standy99
Member
Posts: 553
Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:07 am
Location: Between Broome and Cairns somewhere

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby standy99 » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:26 am

Cambertree wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:02 am

standy99 wrote: Bought the CPM 20CV and the PD#1 mule

M390 and Cruwear comparisons would be right.

PD#1 stayed sharp for the longest
Good one Standy, so you've had 'em in action for a while?

How did the PD1 Mule perform regarding corrosion resistance up there in the tropical north?

Any other comments regarding the two steels?

viewtopic.php?t=78142

Will have to update the thread above.

Found them both great steels with the PD#1 being the stand out as used both with a bit of boning and skinning

Will get handles made for both which will negate under scale maintenance for both.
Im a vegetarian as technically cows are made of grass and water.

Notsurewhy
Member
Posts: 195
Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:57 pm

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby Notsurewhy » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:35 pm

Pete from Cedric and Ada YouTube channel recently did his rope cut test on a whole bunch of mules. Pd1 cut significantly more than the cruwear mule, but the cruwear had some sort of heat treat issues. Pd1 fell between elmax and M4 in edge retention. Fairly impressive. Good video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=91OyDvPu-Rc

TomAiello
Member
Posts: 3726
Joined: Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:34 pm
Location: Twin Falls, ID

Re: Thinking about a Mule in PD#1

Postby TomAiello » Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:16 pm

Was the Cruwear mule CPM Cruwear or non-CPM?


Return to “Spyderco General Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot], IndianaTony and 17 guests