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How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby ZrowsN1s » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:55 am

Titanium frame locks are popular, and some of them are very appealing, I just can't get past my aversion to liner locks with most of them (I keep eyeballing the spydiechef and techno though, maybe I'll break down and get one).

But for the future, would anyone else be interested in a titanium integral compression lock?

Maybe a new design, maybe a Para3, what do you think?
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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby Spydergirl88 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:03 am

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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby soulspy » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:43 am

So an upside down frame lock?

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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby nicked.onaut » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:49 am

That worked well with the first Salsa

Would be keen in other models such as the Para 3, but I'm not sure if titanium Spydercos have been stellar sellers.

(I'd love a reissue of the Ti ATR, but the ho-hum response to the ATR 2 bodes poorly for that..)

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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby bearfacedkiller » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:28 am

There was a Salsa and the ATR and there was a fluted Ti Para2 with integral comp lock. I have a pic of it somewhere. Why an integral Para2 has never come to fruition is beyond me. I am sure it would sell well.
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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby bearfacedkiller » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:30 am

soulspy wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:43 am
So an upside down frame lock?
On the surface it does appear that way but the comp lock actually operates in a very different way. The force vectors are completely different and the comp lock works more like an axis/bolt/cbbl.
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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby curlyhairedboy » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:14 pm

I would be completely against it UNLESS there was a steel lockbar insert. A direct titanium/steel lock interface can and will wear out, I've had it happen to me.
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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby ugaarguy » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:29 pm

Yes, definitely. I've asked about it here in the past year and Sal said it probably won't happen because of the expense involved. I didn't buy the ATR 2 because it was a linered G10 knife, and not an integral comp lock like the original. I think a fluted Ti handle with integral comp lock would be amazing on the Shaman.

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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby Spydergirl88 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:30 pm

Would need to be Golden or Taichung made... Japanese made would probably cost way more
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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby archangel » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:34 pm

ZrowsN1s wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:55 am
But for the future, would anyone else be interested in a titanium integral compression lock?

Always! By far my favorite handle material. :)

ZrowsN1s wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:55 am
Maybe a new design, maybe a Para3, what do you think?

Something new please. Never stop creating new stuff!! ;)
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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby ZrowsN1s » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:06 pm

I know they're expensive, but I didn't figure much more than a a regular Ti framelock. And the Spydie Chef sold out, the Mcbee sold out, it didn't fly off the shelves but I think the Techno2 is doing good (I see lots of them on IG). With the right model, I think there would be demand.

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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby dj moonbat » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:16 pm

Unlike the switch from liner to frame lock, where you (in theory) get a lock that works harder when you grip harder, the switch to a frame comp lock doesn't get you anything except more difficult machining. In fact, you may just be making the lock worse, because you can't pinch the lock with your index finger to disengage, since there's no liner on the other side for your thumb to push on.

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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby Sumdumguy » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:35 pm

There were talks of a Ti Caribbean XL.

I desperately want one, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby zippifish » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:50 pm

dj moonbat wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:16 pm
Unlike the switch from liner to frame lock, where you (in theory) get a lock that works harder when you grip harder, the switch to a frame comp lock doesn't get you anything except more difficult machining. In fact, you may just be making the lock worse, because you can't pinch the lock with your index finger to disengage, since there's no liner on the other side for your thumb to push on.

Hard pass.
Yeah I don't get how that would work exactly, I disengage the compression lock by pinching my thumb and index finger on the scale and lock, maybe there's another way. :confused:

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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby ugaarguy » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:54 pm

dj moonbat wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:16 pm
Unlike the switch from liner to frame lock, where you (in theory) get a lock that works harder when you grip harder, the switch to a frame comp lock doesn't get you anything except more difficult machining. In fact, you may just be making the lock worse, because you can't pinch the lock with your index finger to disengage, since there's no liner on the other side for your thumb to push on.

Hard pass.
Doesn't get me anything? Speak for yourself. It gets me a liner-less knife. Every steel linered Spyderco I've owned has rusted on the liners. Can't pinch to disengage? Just put your thumb on the scale below the lock bar cutout. It works.

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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby Vivi » Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:15 pm

ugaarguy wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:54 pm
dj moonbat wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:16 pm
Unlike the switch from liner to frame lock, where you (in theory) get a lock that works harder when you grip harder, the switch to a frame comp lock doesn't get you anything except more difficult machining. In fact, you may just be making the lock worse, because you can't pinch the lock with your index finger to disengage, since there's no liner on the other side for your thumb to push on.

Hard pass.
Doesn't get me anything? Speak for yourself. It gets me a liner-less knife. Every steel linered Spyderco I've owned has rusted on the liners. Can't pinch to disengage? Just put your thumb on the scale below the lock bar cutout. It works.
Was gonna say the same thing. DJ, have you ever tried a Salsa or ATR 1? No issues at all unlocking them.

I no longer buy comp locks, but I think integral Ti comp locks are an engineering marvel, and I'm surprised more aren't made. It'd be cool to see a one piece handle design like a comp lock nirvana.
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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby Pelagic » Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:19 pm

ugaarguy wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:54 pm
dj moonbat wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:16 pm
Unlike the switch from liner to frame lock, where you (in theory) get a lock that works harder when you grip harder, the switch to a frame comp lock doesn't get you anything except more difficult machining. In fact, you may just be making the lock worse, because you can't pinch the lock with your index finger to disengage, since there's no liner on the other side for your thumb to push on.

Hard pass.
Doesn't get me anything? Speak for yourself. It gets me a liner-less knife. Every steel linered Spyderco I've owned has rusted on the liners. Can't pinch to disengage? Just put your thumb on the scale below the lock bar cutout. It works.
You could operate it similarly to backlock as well, or place your thumb just ahead of the lock tab near the pivot and use your index finger to disengage. Although largely unnecessary, it would be a stronger lock as well, with less chance of failure; both in regard to virtually eliminating chances of user error and increasing the maximum force it could handle. You're right about liners rusting. I'd pay for LC200N liners in any and all knives, even if the blade was 52100. I am also a big fan of titanium in general. I absolutely love it for days off. Unfortunately at work I need something with more texture that is more anchored to my pocket. Titanium feels good in hand and makes the knife more rigid/solid. I'm hoping someone makes titanium scales for the Shaman one day.
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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby awa54 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:58 pm

bearfacedkiller wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:28 am
...and there was a fluted Ti Para2 with integral comp lock. I have a pic of it somewhere...
Was that a prototype only, or a custom scale/frame set?

I'd have to get one if it happened, PM2 or Para 3
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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby Evil D » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:26 pm

curlyhairedboy wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:14 pm
I would be completely against it UNLESS there was a steel lockbar insert. A direct titanium/steel lock interface can and will wear out, I've had it happen to me.


Agreed. Honestly I'm not crazy about it either way but definitely not if it's just raw titanium at the lock face.
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Re: How about a titanium compression frame lock?

Postby Enactive » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:32 pm

Pelagic wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:19 pm
You could operate it similarly to backlock as well, or place your thumb just ahead of the lock tab near the pivot and use your index finger to disengage.
I have taken to unlocking my Shaman like that if i don't want to do the pinch-grip closing method that is, i think, the more typical closing method.

Since i am a backlock fan, i am quite used to letting the choil or kick fall onto my index finger as the knife is halfway closed-- so this feels pretty natural with the Shaman's comp lock.

The benefit of using this method is the ability to open and close the knife from a usable grip without repositioning-- except to roll the knife 180 degrees in your palm.
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