Taichung Mid Backlocks

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Are you interested in more Taichung-made mid backlock spydies?

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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby Wartstein » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:44 am

rabbitanarchy14 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:33 pm
No too the whole thing. Hate backlocks with a deep passion. I think it's funny that most of the forum loves backlocks but when I talk to friends and colleages most prefer liner lock or to try something new.

Just guessing and in no way meant offensive towards your "friends and colleagues": But maybe the difference between them and the people on the forum who love backlocks is, that the latter really and often use their folders?
I am a 100% certain that anyone who really uses a backlock knife frequently, will not find that lock harder or slower to operate, and discover its clear advantages in some aspects.. (detent / safety in pocket, operation with gloves (ok, liner lock shines here either), ambidextrous, knife always very secure in hand when closing and so on..)
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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby rabbitanarchy14 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:24 am

Wartstein wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:44 am
rabbitanarchy14 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:33 pm
No too the whole thing. Hate backlocks with a deep passion. I think it's funny that most of the forum loves backlocks but when I talk to friends and colleages most prefer liner lock or to try something new.

Just guessing and in no way meant offensive towards your "friends and colleagues": But maybe the difference between them and the people on the forum who love backlocks is, that the latter really and often use their folders?
I am a 100% certain that anyone who really uses a backlock knife frequently, will not find that lock harder or slower to operate, and discover its clear advantages in some aspects.. (detent / safety in pocket, operation with gloves (ok, liner lock shines here either), ambidextrous, knife always very secure in hand when closing and so on..)
actually we all started out with sak's and backlocks. as soon as we saw a new lock (liner/frame lock) we bought it and never looked back, i am the only one that will include slipits as a safe carry knife out of all of us, anymore. we have never had an issue of them closing or failing, most of the time they are easier to use, never have we had a detent issue.

i think honestly why most ppl on the forum like them because they feel it is safer lock and have no problem using 2 hands or playing with it to move it in there hand to close it. yes it is a safer lock from the extreme pov not a real user pov, i do not use my knives to any extreme it is a tool. the spring detent sucks and is not safe if you get you finger in there before it gets past the spring point. bit my fingers ways to many times. and not to mention most of the time takes alot more pressure to push the lock compared to a liner/compression lock.
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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby Pelagic » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:56 am

Pancake wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:16 pm
We need this thing.
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Caribbean mid-backlock. Like the only thing keeping me away from buying it are reports of kinda weak detent. With backlock, no detent to worry about.

Yes I would like to see more Taichung backlock.....but not the funny puny knives like Sage. Give me someting with 3,5 - 4 inch blade and then we are talking.
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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby Catamount123 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:02 am

Backlocks are the only ones I trust to carry loose in my pocket. I only carry other locks clipped, with the spine against the seam of my pocket.
I don't get people who only carry one knife :confused: ;)

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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby Wartstein » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:29 am

rabbitanarchy14 wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:24 am
Wartstein wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:44 am
rabbitanarchy14 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:33 pm
No too the whole thing. Hate backlocks with a deep passion. I think it's funny that most of the forum loves backlocks but when I talk to friends and colleages most prefer liner lock or to try something new.

Just guessing and in no way meant offensive towards your "friends and colleagues": But maybe the difference between them and the people on the forum who love backlocks is, that the latter really and often use their folders?
I am a 100% certain that anyone who really uses a backlock knife frequently, will not find that lock harder or slower to operate, and discover its clear advantages in some aspects.. (detent / safety in pocket, operation with gloves (ok, liner lock shines here either), ambidextrous, knife always very secure in hand when closing and so on..)

i think honestly why most ppl on the forum like them because they feel it is safer lock and have no problem using 2 hands or playing with it to move it in there hand to close it. yes it is a safer lock from the extreme pov not a real user pov, i do not use my knives to any extreme it is a tool. the spring detent sucks and is not safe if you get you finger in there before it gets past the spring point. bit my fingers ways to many times. and not to mention most of the time takes alot more pressure to push the lock compared to a liner/compression lock.

Not the place for yet another backlock discussion (and I am well aware that I am one of those who actually initiated a lot of those discussions! ;), so just briefly (plus vids at the end):

I´ll admit that probably a backlock takes a bit more time to get "good" on it as some other locks. But I think anyone who really uses and operates their (backlock-) knives, will automatically invests that bit of time. And when you are a bit used to a backlock, I think there can´t be any safer lock both in pocket and in use, plus it´s very user friendly, and that (other than other locks) in almost any condition (wet, cold, gloves and so on).
So just a plain and simple and most likely the best lock for down to earth people who really frequently use folders in various conditions.

It is also the lock, that makes it the least likely your "fingers are bitten" when you know how to use it, AND want to have the knife secure in hand while operating (and not somewhat unsafely pinched and more prone do dropping the knife as let`s say with a comp. lock)

" A lot more pressure to push the lock" - really? Not on mine, except maybe the Chaparral initially... And other than the somewhat small and and with gloves hard to find lock tab of a comp.lock, a lock bar is huge and very comfortable to use.

I finally taught myself how to make and post vides (!!! :D ). What you can see below are literally the first videos I ever took on my phone.
I am not at home right now, so these are just very quick and the very first takes of three methods how to close a backlock without having the fingers in the blade path at all. On each vid at first very slow, then two times in my normal speed. You´ll maybe have to let run each vid two or three times before it fully functions)

https://streamable.com/myzlt

https://streamable.com/j7fjd

https://streamable.com/bhhzs
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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby Pelagic » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:45 am

I like having to press a little harder to disengage a back lock. It gives me confidence in use that it wants to remain locked up solidly. I am a huge fan of the CS tri-ad lock, and that has nothing to do with all the cheesey videos showcasing it's strength. I just love the way it locks up and the user confidence it yields. Although I really like spyderco backlocks (occasional small amount of lock rock is nowhere near a deal breaker), I'm curious as to when CS's (or is it Demko's?) patent on the Tri-ad lock expires, and which companies will begin using it. Could spyderco make their own version of the Tri-ad lock when this happens? I'd bet money it would be better than Cold Steel's.
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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby D-Wade » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:45 am

Sage 4 sprint run please. I need it to complete my Sage collection. :)

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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby Sharp Guy » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:40 am

Pelagic wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:45 am
...I'm curious as to when CS's (or is it Demko's?) patent on the Tri-ad lock expires, and which companies will begin using it. Could spyderco make their own version of the Tri-ad lock when this happens? I'd bet money it would be better than Cold Steel's.
I may not be remembering correctly and have no time for research at the moment, but isn't Spyderco's PowerLock a similar concept as the Tri-Ad lock?
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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby Spydergirl88 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:45 am

That's what I thought too
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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby Doc Dan » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:46 am

Pelagic wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:56 am
Pancake wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:16 pm
We need this thing.
Image

Caribbean mid-backlock. Like the only thing keeping me away from buying it are reports of kinda weak detent. With backlock, no detent to worry about.

Yes I would like to see more Taichung backlock.....but not the funny puny knives like Sage. Give me someting with 3,5 - 4 inch blade and then we are talking.
Sign me up!
I would buy that right now.
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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby SF Native » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:48 am

Sharp Guy wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:40 am
Pelagic wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:45 am
...I'm curious as to when CS's (or is it Demko's?) patent on the Tri-ad lock expires, and which companies will begin using it. Could spyderco make their own version of the Tri-ad lock when this happens? I'd bet money it would be better than Cold Steel's.
I may not be remembering correctly and have no time for research at the moment, but isn't Spyderco's PowerLock a similar concept as the Tri-Ad lock?
I’ve been wanting to try this lock for a while but it’s only been offered on the chinook 4 and tatanka. A little big for my taste.

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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby Wartstein » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:35 am

Sharp Guy wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:40 am
Pelagic wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:45 am
...I'm curious as to when CS's (or is it Demko's?) patent on the Tri-ad lock expires, and which companies will begin using it. Could spyderco make their own version of the Tri-ad lock when this happens? I'd bet money it would be better than Cold Steel's.
I may not be remembering correctly and have no time for research at the moment, but isn't Spyderco's PowerLock a similar concept as the Tri-Ad lock?

Not sure, but I somehow recall that both are really strong (more so than ever needed actually), but in totally crazy, irrelevant for real life tests, the Tri-Ad lock even a bit stronger??
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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby Doc Dan » Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:32 am

Wartstein wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:35 am
Sharp Guy wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:40 am
Pelagic wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:45 am
...I'm curious as to when CS's (or is it Demko's?) patent on the Tri-ad lock expires, and which companies will begin using it. Could spyderco make their own version of the Tri-ad lock when this happens? I'd bet money it would be better than Cold Steel's.
I may not be remembering correctly and have no time for research at the moment, but isn't Spyderco's PowerLock a similar concept as the Tri-Ad lock?

Not sure, but I somehow recall that both are really strong (more so than ever needed actually), but in totally crazy, irrelevant for real life tests, the Tri-Ad lock even a bit stronger??
Didn’t Sal put out a query about the possibility of a military with a power lock?
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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby Pelagic » Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:37 am

Power lock military??? Wow, that's interesting.
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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby Vivi » Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:41 am

Pelagic wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:37 am
Power lock military??? Wow, that's interesting.
Why do I feel like we'll see one before the Military 2 that has been discussed since around 2002? :rolleyes:

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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:07 am

Pancake wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:16 pm
We need this thing.
Image

Caribbean mid-backlock. Like the only thing keeping me away from buying it are reports of kinda weak detent. With backlock, no detent to worry about.

Yes I would like to see more Taichung backlock.....but not the funny puny knives like Sage. Give me someting with 3,5 - 4 inch blade and then we are talking.
I agree with you 100 percent. I am sure many others on the forum do, as well. When Sal announced the Caribbean I had been hoping there would be a mid back lock version because that is the strongest lock I know of, except for things like TriAd and Axis and others.

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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby SpyderEdgeForever » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:09 am

Doc Dan wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:46 am
Pelagic wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:56 am
Pancake wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:16 pm
We need this thing.
Image

Caribbean mid-backlock. Like the only thing keeping me away from buying it are reports of kinda weak detent. With backlock, no detent to worry about.

Yes I would like to see more Taichung backlock.....but not the funny puny knives like Sage. Give me someting with 3,5 - 4 inch blade and then we are talking.
Sign me up!
I would buy that right now.
Obviously, it would void the warranty, but, how difficult would it be for a person with machinist skill and equipment to take the current-model Caribbean and actually take it apart, and convert the Compression Lock system to a Mid Back Lock system like that? Would the cost be greater than the original cost of the knife?

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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby awa54 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:59 am

Sharp Guy wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:40 am
Pelagic wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:45 am
...I'm curious as to when CS's (or is it Demko's?) patent on the Tri-ad lock expires, and which companies will begin using it. Could spyderco make their own version of the Tri-ad lock when this happens? I'd bet money it would be better than Cold Steel's.
I may not be remembering correctly and have no time for research at the moment, but isn't Spyderco's PowerLock a similar concept as the Tri-Ad lock?

Tri-ad is essentially a normal back lock with a stop pin added between the blade and lockbar, Powerlock is a compound linkage with a cam lug that blocks the tang.
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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby Pancake » Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:19 am

SpyderEdgeForever wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:09 am
Obviously, it would void the warranty, but, how difficult would it be for a person with machinist skill and equipment to take the current-model Caribbean and actually take it apart, and convert the Compression Lock system to a Mid Back Lock system like that? Would the cost be greater than the original cost of the knife?
I am not even sure if you can pull out this design to real life. I see one big issue: I dont know if you can fold the blade with no choil is the handle and have space for spring, backspacer and lever....Maybe yes.
Another issue is that you will need a second pin that would provide rest for the blade, that it will not contact the backspacer and spring.....If I have a spare time some day I will make a model out of cardboard to see if it could work.
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Re: Taichung Mid Backlocks

Postby bearfacedkiller » Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:21 am

The backlocks from Taichung use an internal stop pin and in a way they behave the same as a triad lock. One has an internal stop pin and one is external. That makes them very strong with minimal blade play.

Spyderco’s internal pin isn’t the magnet for pocket lint and other crud that the triad lock is and it looks cleaner too.

What I find advantageous about the internal stop pin is that it could be used to replace the kick which would allow you to make a back lock without a choil or ricasso. The triad locks stop pin only operates in the open position and the triad lock closes like a regular back lock. Spyderco’s Taichung backlock utilizes the stop pin in both the open and the closed position.

In my opinion Spyderco’s backlocks with internal stop pins are superior in every way over the triad lock. Maybe it needs a cool name and some hype?
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