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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby Pelagic » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:05 am

Jazz wrote:
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How does something sharp snag on something cuttable?

That makes no sense. Cardboard sucks with serrations in a lot of cuts. A lot of things get hung up - just not as smooth as PE. They can be great, if very sharp and used right. Nothing flies through a heavy nylon belt like SE, when pulled through, not sawed. Anyway, not wanting to start an argument here. I love sharp serrations.

Those pics aren’t accurate of the two Salts. My Salt 1 has very aggressive and pointy serrations - the 2 doesn’t.
Obviously there will be things SE/PE blades excell at, but making serrations less pointy won't make the SE blade some great cardboard cutter, just like even a hair whittling 400 grit plain edge will never cut rope like a hair whittling serrated edge. But also, an extremely sharp SE blade will pushcut cardboard clean.
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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby anagarika » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:10 am

Surfingringo wrote:
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bbturbodad wrote:
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Thanks guys!

I'm torn because I have a fairly "meaty" hand (thick fingers) so I wouldn't mind the longer handle of the Salt 2 but I find most knives with rounded (I call it pointy because starts jabbing into me by the end of the day) handles uncomfortable to carry IWB which is how I carry.

Oh and yes, the Salt 1 is still around and the sale price of $70 is what caught my attention ;)
I carry a Salt 2 IWB (at 1:00) on a regular basis, often for extended hours sitting in a kayak, and it has been completely comfortable for me.
I’m guessing OP carries his perfectly vertical not slanted, and probably at 3 or 4 o’clock. In that format, the flat butt of Salt1 handle is more comfortable.
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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby bbturbodad » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:42 am

anagarika wrote:
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I carry a Salt 2 IWB (at 1:00) on a regular basis, often for extended hours sitting in a kayak, and it has been completely comfortable for me.
I’m guessing OP carries his perfectly vertical not slanted, and probably at 3 or 4 o’clock. In that format, the flat butt of Salt1 handle is more comfortable.
Yes, I carry vertical at 3 o'clock. Never thought about carrying slanted. Didn't know that was possible but I just tried it and WOW this could be a game changer for me!
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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby James Y » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:32 am

Personally, I prefer less aggressive serrations. Besides less snagging, I've also found that less aggressive serrations are also more stable and roll over less. To each their own.

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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby araneae » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:55 am

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Surfingringo wrote:
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Jazz wrote:
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Salt 1 has more aggressive serrations too. I love them both.
Jazz, I know you’re an old hand with the Salts, but are you certain that’s true? I’ve owned a LOT of serrated Salts and I have found they ALL have different levels of serration depth and “aggression”. I could be wrong but I believe this is due to the fact that the wheel used grind the serrations wears down over time and knives ground on a new wheel will have a different serration depth (and angle) than knives ground on an older wheel.
I find they differ, but certain models seem to have more consistent grind angles than others. Some of the older byrds actually performed better than some Spyderco models IMO. Geometry counts.
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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby Surfingringo » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:11 pm

bbturbodad wrote:
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anagarika wrote:
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Surfingringo wrote:
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I carry a Salt 2 IWB (at 1:00) on a regular basis, often for extended hours sitting in a kayak, and it has been completely comfortable for me.
I’m guessing OP carries his perfectly vertical not slanted, and probably at 3 or 4 o’clock. In that format, the flat butt of Salt1 handle is more comfortable.
Yes, I carry vertical at 3 o'clock. Never thought about carrying slanted. Didn't know that was possible but I just tried it and WOW this could be a game changer for me!
Hey Turbo, try carrying at 1:00 with the butt angled in towards the groin area. The knife basically lies on the line separating the belly from the leg. That’s the carry method I adapted for my kayak fishing. I can jump in and out and even pedal in a seated position and don’t even notice it’s there.

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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby cabfrank » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:04 pm

I say get the Salt, because you will love it. You will have plenty of time to get a Salt 2 for your second one.

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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby bbturbodad » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:08 pm

Surfingringo wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:11 pm
Hey Turbo, try carrying at 1:00 with the butt angled in towards the groin area. The knife basically lies on the line separating the belly from the leg. That’s the carry method I adapted for my kayak fishing. I can jump in and out and even pedal in a seated position and don’t even notice it’s there.
Thanks for the tip. I carried 2 knives this afternoon 1 appendix, 1 @ 3 o'clock both canted and I can't believe it never occurred to me to do this before. I didn't drive today but I think that's where appendix will really shine because the bolsters of the seats in my car are what makes the 'jabbing' really noticeable/uncomfortable.

Who'd a thought asking Salt vs. Salt 2 would've been so productive? :D
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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby Jazz » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:10 pm

Surfingringo wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:19 am

Jazz, I know you’re an old hand with the Salts, but are you certain that’s true? I’ve owned a LOT of serrated Salts and I have found they ALL have different levels of serration depth and “aggression”. I could be wrong but I believe this is due to the fact that the wheel used grind the serrations wears down over time and knives ground on a new wheel will have a different serration depth (and angle) than knives ground on an older wheel.

Well, bro, who knows? You have a good point, but every pic I’ve seen of the 1 looks like mine. Here’s a couple pics of my 1 and one of my 2’s. My Salt 1 has been sharpened a fair bit, but it was pointy and very aggressive when new.

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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby Jazz » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:13 pm

bbturbodad wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:15 pm

Spyderco C88SYL Salt $70
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Spyderco C88SYL2 Salt 2 $85
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If you look close, the pics are of the same blade here. Look at the scratch/grind pattern on the ricasso.
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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby Pelagic » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:30 pm

Those scratches are similar but not identical. Also, look at the H in H1 on the blade. Different color.
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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby Surfingringo » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:56 pm

Jazz wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:10 pm
Surfingringo wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:19 am

Jazz, I know you’re an old hand with the Salts, but are you certain that’s true? I’ve owned a LOT of serrated Salts and I have found they ALL have different levels of serration depth and “aggression”. I could be wrong but I believe this is due to the fact that the wheel used grind the serrations wears down over time and knives ground on a new wheel will have a different serration depth (and angle) than knives ground on an older wheel.

Well, bro, who knows? You have a good point, but every pic I’ve seen of the 1 looks like mine. Here’s a couple pics of my 1 and one of my 2’s. My Salt 1 has been sharpened a fair bit, but it was pointy and very aggressive when new.

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Interesting. I have no idea, they may have changed something with the new salt 2. I do know for a fact though that all of the Pacific salts vary to some degree. Personally I kind of prefer the less aggressive serrations for my work. What is more important to me is that they are sharpened at a low enough angle that they are easy to microbevel.

And yes, I would agree that those are the exact same blades in those two photos.

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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby Pelagic » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:39 am

I would prefer the more aggressive serrations. The more aggressive they are, the more likely I am to buy a sharpmaker to make sharpening much simpler. If the serrations are not aggressive, I feel the need to do what I do currently (sharpen each serration individually), which is a tedious process. Since the sharpmaker naturally reduces the pointy-ness of the serrations, I'd like for them to start out deeper and pointier. I feel like more aggressive serrations are more effective at slicing a large rope in a single fast draw cut in an emergency situation. I also like the more robust tip of the black salt knife. You can tell it has plenty of piercing power while having a stronger tip. Also, you will lose slightly less blade length with each sharpening (whenever I get a knife I initially plan on keeping it a very long time).
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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby Evil D » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:18 am

Wasn't it confirmed at some point that the wheels that grind serrations wear over time and this changes the pattern over time? I just had a second Caribbean for a couple days and the pattern on it was very different from my other one.
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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby anagarika » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:16 am

bbturbodad wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:42 am
anagarika wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:10 am
Surfingringo wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:20 am


I carry a Salt 2 IWB (at 1:00) on a regular basis, often for extended hours sitting in a kayak, and it has been completely comfortable for me.
I’m guessing OP carries his perfectly vertical not slanted, and probably at 3 or 4 o’clock. In that format, the flat butt of Salt1 handle is more comfortable.
Yes, I carry vertical at 3 o'clock. Never thought about carrying slanted. Didn't know that was possible but I just tried it and WOW this could be a game changer for me!
When i carry IWB at 3-4 o’clock, I like them tip down. It’s lower and easier to grab & pull out, pinching with just thumb and index finger. Just to offer another variable.
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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby tonijedi » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:46 pm

Tried the Salt (1) in a brick and mortar store and I didn't like the handle as much as I liked on my Delicas, so I went with the Salt 2. Now, the handle on the Salt 2 is a bit different from the Delica's but on normal use you can't even notice.

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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby Pelagic » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:02 am

I've been looking at the Atlantic Salt and the Pacific Salt. I really prefer a sheepsfoot blade (safer on the water), as the knife would be a rope cutter. But I also need a 4" blade for ropes 5" in diameter. Unfortunately I think this leaves me with 2 choices. Continue to use my byrd rescue 2's (I'd prefer H1 steel), or find a Jumpmaster 1 (extremely hard to find). Even if I could find an original jumpmaster I'd prefer a folder so it doesn't snag on things as easily. Basically an atlantic salt XL would be perfect for my needs. Are there any other options I'm overlooking?

I guess a sheepsfoot Caribbean is an idea, but I'm itching to try H1 and the Salt's are much less pricey. I was also looking to get a PE Caribbean in the future so that deters me from getting a SE model.

Edit: you know... The Pac Salt's tip isn't THAT pointy I guess. And I could always modify it easily if I ever cared to. That may be the answer.
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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby wrdwrght » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:09 am

Pelagic wrote:
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or find a Jumpmaster 1 (extremely hard to find).
https://www.countryknives.com/shop-by-d ... pyderedge/
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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby Pelagic » Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:42 am

wrdwrght wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:09 am
Pelagic wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:02 am
or find a Jumpmaster 1 (extremely hard to find).
https://www.countryknives.com/shop-by-d ... pyderedge/
Thanks! That is pricey though, haha.
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Re: Salt vs Salt 2

Postby wrdwrght » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:06 pm

Pricey, yes. Seems perfect for your kind of work, though. You probably wouldn’t need another before you retire...
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