Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

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Which is the better defensive knife?

Poll runs till Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:36 am

Civilian (with zip tie “wave” mod)
1
13%
Matriarch 2 Wave
7
88%
 
Total votes: 8

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Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby Roscoec1911 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:36 am

Guys, due to the nature of my job, I find myself flying here and there around the country every so often on business, and bringing along a gun is simply not possible. I also go to areas where firearms are absolutely prohibited. Much of my traveling is in Texas and areas with lax knife laws, so a large folder is a legal and convenient defensive option for me.

Looking to get either a Civilian or Matriarch 2 Wave. If I got the Civilian, I would do the zip tie “wave” mod (I have it on my Delicate and like it) as well as swapping the clip to the proper side for “wave” carry.

I owned a Civilian for a short while and was impressed by it. But is the Matriarch 2 just as effective an emergency last ditch defensive weapon? It is considerably cheaper, lighter, a bit more compact, and is already set up for wave pocket usage of course. But if the Civilian is the superior weapon, then I will buy it. Money is no object here.

So, between the two, bottom line up front, which would YOU rather have in your pocket if being attacked and you didn’t have access to a firearm?

Thanks gang,

-Rosco


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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby ladybug93 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:51 am

https://youtu.be/1ddOdONCCqU

definitely the yojimbo. and even more definitely don’t get in a knife fight ever.

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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby Bill1170 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:29 am

A factory waved Matriarch seems better and more elegant than a Civilian with a zip tie wave mod.

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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby zhyla » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:35 am

I’m that not into knives as weapons but in my opinion if it isn’t and efficient stabber I don’t think it’s a great choice.

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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby youmakemehole » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:02 am

These are available for purchase on ebay:
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Once you have a set of these, the wave feature no longer needs to be a deciding factor on a knife meant for protection. There are also even nicer looking versions from other companies, made with aluminum and ti, they are model specific typically though.
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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby youmakemehole » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:12 am

heres one of my knives which has a pretty nice aftermarket wave. a big advantage to this one is being able to keep the spydiehole usable

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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby Bill1170 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:47 am

The best thing about those clamp-on wave hooks is that they can be installed and removed without damaging the underlying knife. And they look better than a zip tie. I still prefer a hook cut right into the blade.

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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby kerrcobra » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:41 pm

Vivi wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:47 am
fixed blade.
QFT. I second this.

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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby Wartstein » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:51 pm

kerrcobra wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:41 pm
Vivi wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:47 am
fixed blade.
QFT. I second this.
Off topic, but may I ask: What means "QFT"?
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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby kirill.sergueev » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:31 pm

There is nothing more stupid and unrealistic then knife "non lethal" self defense. But in terms to show someone a Matriarch or Civilian just to scare crap of them both should do.

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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby sal » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:39 pm

Hi Rosco,

Welcome.

A waved Matriarch is very effective. I would suggest some training. fist line of defense is avoidance, then running, then spray like a gel, then only if absolutely necessary, blade. If you cut someone with a knife, you will probably go to jail. Whether or not you stay there is the question?

sal

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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby Doc Dan » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:12 pm

A good lightweight 16" ASP with pocket clip and a pepper spray, along with good running shoes would be my first choice. A fixed blade (if legal .... not everywhere legal, BTW) would be a tertiary choice.
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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby The Meat man » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:36 am

Wartstein wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:51 pm
kerrcobra wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:41 pm
Vivi wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:47 am
fixed blade.
QFT. I second this.
Off topic, but may I ask: What means "QFT"?

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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby Frozenspyder » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:02 am

This is an interesting thread. Since the OP didn't ask for legal advice or opinions on using a knife for self defense, I'll steer clear of that. Plus I think you all have that covered.

IMHO, both knives have their merits for this purpose. The Civilian is, I believe, slightly better in a self defense role. However, adding an aftermarket wave to a knife introduces one more part that could potentially fail. It may be very unlikely, but not something I'd want to take a risk with in that situation. The Matriarch doesn't have that problem, as it comes with a wave cut into the blade. So I guess it would depend on whether you're more comfortable with all out performance with a tiny chance of a potential reliability issue or slightly reduced performance and more reliability.

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Re: Civilian vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby Wartstein » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:02 pm

The Meat man wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:36 am
Wartstein wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:51 pm
kerrcobra wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:41 pm
Vivi wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:47 am
fixed blade.
QFT. I second this.
Off topic, but may I ask: What means "QFT"?

"Quoted For Truth"
Thanx!
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