Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

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Re: Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

Postby vivi » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:16 pm

kennethsime wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:05 pm
vivi wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:03 am
I like to strip the ESEE's then soak them in vinegar for an hour or so. Gives them a better look, they cut better and the spine can spark a fire steel.
Question vivi. Do you pull the scales off and strip & soak the whole knife? Or just the blade?

Is the vinegar soak as good as, or nearly as good as the paint at keeping the knife from corroding?
With the ESEE's I remove the scales, strip the entire blade, then soak the entire blade.

After that is will rust a bit more easily. The painted on coatings generally prevent anything from reaching the blade surface. Once stripped you expose the blade to the elements.

It won't rust as easily as bare 1095, but you'll still want to make sure its dry and clean before storing it long term.

I'm doing the Chief tonight and modding the scales while the blade soaks. I'm going to photograph the entire process and post a little tutorial.

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Re: Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

Postby Wartstein » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:40 pm

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Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:41 pm
Ongoing impression..

I have L sized hands, and I think the Chief is not only a goldielocks zone knife, but also one of those designs that are hard to improve, but easy to degrade.

A great choice for when the Police and Millie are too big. Its handle provides enough leverage and is comfy enough for gloved hands, but also fits the naked hand in normal use.

- The blade size - or the edge length to be precise - and its shape is more usable than the Native 5/Para 3 type stocky blades. While I like and prefer forward finger choils, I always miss the lost edge on models such as the PM2, the Manix and smaller knives. With the Chief I am finally getting that missing edge back. The edge is equal to the one on the Caribbean and even surpasses some choil-less models like the Swayback or the GB2. A bigger and more comfortable forward finger choil than the one on the PM2 or even on the Military and a long enough cutting edge in the same knife means not only I can have my cake and eat it too, but that the cake is more tasty as well.

- Further, no hump / no ramp means not only ergonomic bonus, but also improved carriability.
- Great lock. hm. Let me rephrase: Best lock.
- The weight is pretty optimal - the G10 version is nearly as light as the one in carbon fiber.
- Last, but not least, the phosphor bronze washers are like a dream, even before polishing.

Perfectly put, especially the highlighted portions.

I totally like my Manixes, but I carry them as SMALL knives with two great grip optionsm that have their limitations though due to the short edge.
An universal, general EDC knife for me just has to have at least Endura (or Chief) edge length - Vivis example of "still almost too small to cut an apple with one cut" shows perfectly well why.
The Endura offers what I am looking for in an FRN, no choil version (and I personally really like to choke up on its Ricasso), the Chief in G10 and WITH a choil (which I might really like too. As you said: As long as there is a good amount of edge left, a choil can be really nice to have).

And, no secret: For me too nothing can beat a good backlock, especially on a universal, all purpose, large folder for the in- and outdoors.

And that they did NOT give the Chief thicker stock than the smaller Native 5 is a great move in my book.
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Re: Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

Postby kobold » Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:29 am

Thanks, I think the other mentioned attributes contribute to the success of this knife equally. The action would be bad (mediocre at best) without phosphor bronze washers. In lightweight FRN Natives the jerkiness and stiffness makes operation not just less enjoyable, but plain harder. I regularly have to relocate my thumb from the spydiehole to the spine of the blade in a failed attempt to close the blade. Since the action is that stiff. It is stiff, because FRN direct contact with steel is just not a winning combination. There is a reason PB washers exist, they are cheap, there is no good reason not to use them everywhere.

And then the ergonomics - they would be in a lesser league with a hump. Because the predestined jimped area is not always the optimal spot for our thumb, when we extend our thumb past the hump by overarching it, the resulting air gap under the 'arch' means the loss of contact area. The loss of contact area means less tactile feedback and and also less area to maintain pressure on the blade, resulting in less control.

The hump/ramp is also elevated above the spine of the blade and this will introduce lability, just like how high heels feel unstable relative to walking barefoot.

So, yeah, I like this knife a lot. I even made an attempt to buy the S90V version, but, what I assume is the only copy in the country had bad blade play and I had to let it go. Since after more than a month that knife is still not sold, I am thinking about making them an offer and taking my chances with a torx bit. :rolleyes:
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Re: Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

Postby kennethsime » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:18 am

vivi wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:16 pm
With the ESEE's I remove the scales, strip the entire blade, then soak the entire blade.

After that is will rust a bit more easily. The painted on coatings generally prevent anything from reaching the blade surface. Once stripped you expose the blade to the elements.

It won't rust as easily as bare 1095, but you'll still want to make sure its dry and clean before storing it long term.

I'm doing the Chief tonight and modding the scales while the blade soaks. I'm going to photograph the entire process and post a little tutorial.
Perfect, that's what I wanted to hear. Dry & clean is no problem. I don't generally run into corrosion issues even with my tool steel folders, but my only experience with 1095 is a KABAR with a paint coating. I like ESEEs a lot, and have a couple on my list to try -hopefully this summer.

Excited to see how the chief turns out!
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Re: Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

Postby Naperville » Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:43 pm

Just received my Rex45 Native Chief, now I have two. I may try to collect them all.
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Re: Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

Postby vivi » Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:47 pm

Loc-tite aside, I really enjoyed working on my Chief. It's very easy to take down and put back together compared to the Manix XL's I worked with last.

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PS check out that date stamp :cool: :D

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Re: Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

Postby James Y » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:44 pm

I really like the fact that the NC’s handle is G10, and without liners.

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Re: Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

Postby Nate » Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:17 am

Recieved my first Chief about a week ago. Initial impressions of the ergos and aesthetics are very positive. Especially high marks for easy of carry given it’s a relatively large folder, (for reference I typically carry an Urban iwb these days,) rides in a front pocket comfortably and I can still easily get a hand in and out to reach keys/wallet/whatever. Minor issue with some grittiness in the pivot that developed after a few days, but it went away after flushing with warm, soapy water and applying some Tuf-Glide. Will likely knock down the edges on the g10 a bit with some sandpaper in the near future.

Starting tomorrow I’ll hit the trail for a few days and the Chief will be my primary folder, looking forward to the trip!

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Re: Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

Postby u.w. » Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:55 am

vivi :) ,
That's pretty high on the list of epic date stamps :cool:

Nate,
Seeing the little turtle on that map brings to mind that trail that's on my list "to do". I've seen photos and videos of the area and it's looks outstanding. I am looking forward to my time on trail there at some point.

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Re: Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

Postby vivi » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:52 pm

Nate wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:17 am
Recieved my first Chief about a week ago. Initial impressions of the ergos and aesthetics are very positive. Especially high marks for easy of carry given it’s a relatively large folder, (for reference I typically carry an Urban iwb these days,) rides in a front pocket comfortably and I can still easily get a hand in and out to reach keys/wallet/whatever. Minor issue with some grittiness in the pivot that developed after a few days, but it went away after flushing with warm, soapy water and applying some Tuf-Glide. Will likely knock down the edges on the g10 a bit with some sandpaper in the near future.

Starting tomorrow I’ll hit the trail for a few days and the Chief will be my primary folder, looking forward to the trip!

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The Chief carries so well for the size. I was always impressed with the Military and Police in this respect, but the Chief is head and shoulders above them in carry comfort.

I should receive my S30V Chief any day now.

Red River Gorge? Looks like a beautiful area if so.

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Re: Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

Postby Nate » Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:10 pm

vivi wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:52 pm

The Chief carries so well for the size. I was always impressed with the Military and Police in this respect, but the Chief is head and shoulders above them in carry comfort.

I should receive my S30V Chief any day now.

Red River Gorge? Looks like a beautiful area if so.

You nailed it, amazing area. Like a lot of things it has changed a lot since I was a child. There’s been a lot of development in the area and it’s become way more popular, but so far a reasonable balance has been maintained. As U.W. mentioned the Sheltowee Trace runs through the area as well.

And yeah, my primary comparisons in ease of carry are the Military and Pac Salt, the Chief wins handily.
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Re: Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

Postby Wartstein » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:57 am

Nate wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:10 pm
vivi wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:52 pm

....

And yeah, my primary comparisons in ease of carry are the Military and Pac Salt, the Chief wins handily.

Over the PAC SALT?! Really?
(Honest question, since I never even held a Chief. But I´d assume that the Pac Salt should carry even better: A bit shorter, more rounded handle, lighter... but, right, it is probably a bit WIDER in the pocket (not a concern of mine though - (too much) length in pocket is).
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Re: Native Chief first and ongoing impressions thread

Postby Nate » Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:50 am

Wartstein wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:57 am

Over the PAC SALT?! Really?
(Honest question, since I never even held a Chief. But I´d assume that the Pac Salt should carry even better: A bit shorter, more rounded handle, lighter... but, right, it is probably a bit WIDER in the pocket (not a concern of mine though - (too much) length in pocket is).

You’re right, that was somewhat poorly/lazily worded. My points of large folder comparison are the Millie and the Pac Salt. It beats the Military handily for ease of carry. The Pac Salt is more nuanced.

As an initial impression I’ll likely favor the Chief and carry/use it more than either. For front pocket jeans carry, the extra thickness of the Chief combined with its slimness and the curve at the butt-end of the handle allow me to more comfortably get my hand in and out of the pocket. Not massively better I guess, but again I was really impressed by how well the Chief carries. For iwb carry in shorts/swim trunks, the Pac Salt is still a no brainer being thinner and lighter (not to mention if I need the corrosion resistance or want teeth).

Since you mention length, the Chief does occasionally ride up a little bit after sitting and standing, but so far only by a centimeter or so, not enough that I’ve had any concern about it coming out of my pocket. This week will be a better test while hiking, wearing lightweight pants and shorts, etc.
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