Manix 2 now in BD1N?

[blendergasket]

Ok. Thanks for the info.

[blendergasket]

Ok. Thanks for the info.

[araneae]

I believe Sal has said the alcyone and polestar are underperforming sales wise. I wouldnt think a steel change would be profitable on those models. I am just speculating of course.

I posted an analysis in a thread awhile back that I did that showed that an Alcyone and Polestar in CPM-CRUWEAR would be less than $10 more than current BD1 versions based on the price differences between Golden Made BD1/Cruwear/S110V. If that was truly the case, I would think switching to Cruwear (and maybe back to a "normal" solid color Peel Ply G10 in something like Foliage Green) could be a huge boost in sales for these models. You are getting Spyderco quality with Cruwear blade and G10 for under $100. And the designs of those, like the Tenacious, are some of the best in the entire Spyderco lineup in my opinion.

Sorry, but that was a lot of guesswork on your part when you compared domestic production with import production. Also, it looks like you had a $15 price increase as your calculated number. And that assumes the Chinese factory is even capable of working with cruwear. Way too many assumptions to draw any safe conclusions.

I think they are trickling in. This post on FB was the first that I knew of one being in the wild. I knew they were coming, but not when. So, a little phone calling to the knife shops might be in order if you want one now (make sure they do not get confused between BD1 and BD1N, though).

When they do a steel change like this (or a huge CQI like going linerless on the Native) I really wish they would issue a new UPC and model #. I had a heck of a time trying to track down some of the old S35VN Natives after the switch to S30V. I bought probably 5 different Natives that were listed as S35VN and they sent me S30V. Even after emails confirming it as S35VN in some cases.

Maybe they are doing that for these Manix LWs. If not, you definitely want to talk to someone on the phone and confirm that they are shipping you the version you want.

Glad I got the BD1 a few months ago before the change. I have BD1N in the Para 3, so its nice to have BD1 in the Manix LW for variety.

New sku's would add a lot more work for the crew and increase costs. They probably do a lot more CQI tweaks than even the afi crowd notices.
Curious why were you trying to get the s35vn version? Speaking with Eric at Blade show, he said that from his experience s30v is the superior steel with s35vn being more easily machined, but otherwise a bit inferior in use.

[steelcity16]

I believe Sal has said the alcyone and polestar are underperforming sales wise. I wouldnt think a steel change would be profitable on those models. I am just speculating of course.

I posted an analysis in a thread awhile back that I did that showed that an Alcyone and Polestar in CPM-CRUWEAR would be less than $10 more than current BD1 versions based on the price differences between Golden Made BD1/Cruwear/S110V. If that was truly the case, I would think switching to Cruwear (and maybe back to a "normal" solid color Peel Ply G10 in something like Foliage Green) could be a huge boost in sales for these models. You are getting Spyderco quality with Cruwear blade and G10 for under $100. And the designs of those, like the Tenacious, are some of the best in the entire Spyderco lineup in my opinion.

Sorry, but that was a lot of guesswork on your part when you compared domestic production with import production. Also, it looks like you had a $15 price increase as your calculated number. And that assumes the Chinese factory is even capable of working with cruwear. Way too many assumptions to draw any safe conclusions.

Technically, my calculated MAP prices for the two models in question were <$10 increase over BD1 using the second method, and ~$11 increase using the first method. But hey, who is counting? :) Obviously it is just hypothetical and assumptions, but it is based on real world pricing.

I think they are trickling in. This post on FB was the first that I knew of one being in the wild. I knew they were coming, but not when. So, a little phone calling to the knife shops might be in order if you want one now (make sure they do not get confused between BD1 and BD1N, though).

When they do a steel change like this (or a huge CQI like going linerless on the Native) I really wish they would issue a new UPC and model #. I had a heck of a time trying to track down some of the old S35VN Natives after the switch to S30V. I bought probably 5 different Natives that were listed as S35VN and they sent me S30V. Even after emails confirming it as S35VN in some cases.

Maybe they are doing that for these Manix LWs. If not, you definitely want to talk to someone on the phone and confirm that they are shipping you the version you want.

Glad I got the BD1 a few months ago before the change. I have BD1N in the Para 3, so its nice to have BD1 in the Manix LW for variety.

New sku's would add a lot more work for the crew and increase costs. They probably do a lot more CQI tweaks than even the afi crowd notices.
Curious why were you trying to get the s35vn version? Speaking with Eric at Blade show, he said that from his experience s30v is the superior steel with s35vn being more easily machined, but otherwise a bit inferior in use.

I don't really have a need for super high wear resistance steels and would rather have additional toughness and sharpen-ability, so for me, S35VN edges out S30V. Also, I like variety and I can get a huge number of models in S30V and only a few in S35VN, so given the choice I would choose the rarer steel.

[BornIn1500]

And that assumes the Chinese factory is even capable of working with cruwear.

I'm sure Sal said the China factory isn't set up to work with the harder steels like Cruwear. So the only way to ever see an Alcyone/Polestar in Cruwear is if they moved production to a different country. That would at least double the price from $67 to $130+.

[rbb2]

Not to mention that I would be very surprised if the super premium steels were offered in the China made line. From a business (and QC) perspective I would expect them to be limited to the premium products, not the budget products.

[crazywednesday]

Will this be made in SE? Was BD1 made in SE?

[Doc Dan]

Who knows? but, this is a very positive thing that they are moving to BD1N. Sal, leave my wallet alone!!! :D :D :D

[koenigsegg]

is there anything conclusive about the differences between bd1 and bd1n besides an “n”?

BD1 performance is below VG10
BD1N performance is almost on par with S30V depending on heat treat

[ladybug93]

is there anything conclusive about the differences between bd1 and bd1n besides an “n”?

BD1 performance is below VG10
BD1N performance is almost on par with S30V depending on heat treat

it's hard to be upset about that. thanks for the response.

i was fortunate enough to grab the knife center exclusive manix lw in xhp. i really wanted a manix lw, but didn't want bd1, based on what i had read. bd1n doesn't sound like it would be an improvement over my xhp, but it's nice to know that the manix lw is getting a steel that makes it a better value. i never understood why spyderco didn't just use s30v in the lightweight models. it's not like bd1 for $95 is a value. there's less than $20 difference between the lw and g10 versions.

[koenigsegg]

is there anything conclusive about the differences between bd1 and bd1n besides an “n”?

BD1 performance is below VG10
BD1N performance is almost on par with S30V depending on heat treat

it's hard to be upset about that. thanks for the response.

i was fortunate enough to grab the knife center exclusive manix lw in xhp. i really wanted a manix lw, but didn't want bd1, based on what i had read. bd1n doesn't sound like it would be an improvement over my xhp, but it's nice to know that the manix lw is getting a steel that makes it a better value. i never understood why spyderco didn't just use s30v in the lightweight models. it's not like bd1 for $95 is a value. there's less than $20 difference between the lw and g10 versions.

I like XHP, when did that model come out? I have a maxamet manix lw and it def changed my mind on the lightweight series of knives

Def not better than XHP but if it's the same price as BD1 than it's a massive upgrade

I think I would like BD1N on the right platform

I have BD1 on my Pygmy Warrior and it gets razor sharp really easy just looses it too fast.. but a knife like that I'm not going to be using for EDC

[steelcity16]

I like XHP, when did that model come out? I have a maxamet manix lw and it def changed my mind on the lightweight series of knives

Def not better than XHP but if it's the same price as BD1 than it's a massive upgrade

I think Cutlery Shoppe still has an Orange DLC Manix LW coming at some point. The satin version was S90V, but I am hoping they are changing to CTS-XHP for the DLC version since the S90V satin version sat for months and their CTS-XHP exclusives fly off the shelves!

Everyone who wants XHP please email email Jeff at Cutlery Shoppe and ask him to change the specs to XHP if production hasn't begun on these!!

I'd honestly love to see translucent orange FRCP in this one as well. I love my blue BD-1! Ask for that in the emails as well if you are with me!

Power to the people! :D

[koenigsegg]

I like XHP, when did that model come out? I have a maxamet manix lw and it def changed my mind on the lightweight series of knives

Def not better than XHP but if it's the same price as BD1 than it's a massive upgrade

I think Cutlery Shoppe still has an Orange DLC Manix LW coming at some point. The satin version was S90V, but I am hoping they are changing to CTS-XHP for the DLC version since the S90V satin version sat for months and their CTS-XHP exclusives fly off the shelves!

Everyone who wants XHP please email email Jeff at Cutlery Shoppe and ask him to change the specs to XHP if production hasn't begun on these!!

I'd honestly love to see translucent orange FRCP in this one as well. I love my blue BD-1! Ask for that in the emails as well if you are with me!

Power to the people! :D

To be honest I would vote for 20CV since I don't have any
Have quite a few with XHP

[ladybug93]

is there anything conclusive about the differences between bd1 and bd1n besides an “n”?

BD1 performance is below VG10
BD1N performance is almost on par with S30V depending on heat treat

it's hard to be upset about that. thanks for the response.

i was fortunate enough to grab the knife center exclusive manix lw in xhp. i really wanted a manix lw, but didn't want bd1, based on what i had read. bd1n doesn't sound like it would be an improvement over my xhp, but it's nice to know that the manix lw is getting a steel that makes it a better value. i never understood why spyderco didn't just use s30v in the lightweight models. it's not like bd1 for $95 is a value. there's less than $20 difference between the lw and g10 versions.

I like XHP, when did that model come out? I have a maxamet manix lw and it def changed my mind on the lightweight series of knives

Def not better than XHP but if it's the same price as BD1 than it's a massive upgrade

I think I would like BD1N on the right platform

I have BD1 on my Pygmy Warrior and it gets razor sharp really easy just looses it too fast.. but a knife like that I'm not going to be using for EDC

it was one of the rare exclusives that didn’t sell out in two minutes. maybe because of the brown frcp? i don’t know. i got it about two years ago and they were gone shortly after that. i think it was $92 and the bd1 was $84 at the time. i don’t have a problem with more budget steels when the knife is priced accordingly. i have plenty of knives i like in aus8 and 8cr13mov, but they weren’t $80; they were $30.

[Doc Dan]

I want translucent orange on the new BD1N M2 LW. Green would be okay, but orange would rock!

[steelcity16]

I want translucent orange on the new BD1N M2 LW. Green would be okay, but orange would rock!

That is a good idea. I agree they need to do a different color and UPC/model# so people know what steel they are buying.

It might boost sales as well. I'd buy a new color BD1N, but not another blue since I have the BD-1.

Whatever they do they should have a DLC variation as well. DLC with any translucent would be awesome!

[koenigsegg]

Let's not forget this rolling CQI is also another reason they can't send or sell you parts without seeing your knife since there are different versions. Personally I think they should have some other way to tell them apart besides seeing it in person.

[steelcity16]

Let's not forget this rolling CQI is also another reason they can't send or sell you parts without seeing your knife since there are different versions. Personally I think they should have some other way to tell them apart besides seeing it in person.

They could use something like a tiny QR code laser etched right next to the steel type on the bottom of the blade. It could contain a unique serial number or at the minimum what CQI version it was.

If they want to get real fancy the customer could scan the code and get all of that info and authenticate and/or register their knife.

With all of the counterfeits and all of the CQI iterations I'm kind if surprised this isn't already in place.

[koenigsegg]

Let's not forget this rolling CQI is also another reason they can't send or sell you parts without seeing your knife since there are different versions. Personally I think they should have some other way to tell them apart besides seeing it in person.

They could use something like a tiny QR code laser etched right next to the steel type on the bottom of the blade. It could contain a unique serial number or at the minimum what CQI version it was.

If they want to get real fancy the customer could scan the code and get all of that info and authenticate and/or register their knife.

I'll bet they just need the production date which is stamped on the tang in the handle would be cool if they put it on the outside edge of the blade steel

[Tims]

Anyone receive one of these in bd1-n yet?
Everywhere I’ve looked is still advertising bd1.