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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby Doeswhateveraspidercan » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:17 am

Bloke wrote:
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I usually dress my pork in
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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby The Deacon » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:53 am

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I prefer pork covered in beans.

If this is a serious question it is missing the more important question. It is not which one will make a bigger cut but which one you can actually hold onto well enough to even make a cut like that.

In my opinion, if you made a high impact cut with either one of those knives you will lose your grip on the knife. There is a minimum amount of purchase you need on a knife to cut like that and neither of these knives have it.

I agree, Darby. While any weapon is better than no weapon, tiny knives are going to be harder to deploy, harder to hold onto, and create relatively shallow wounds. Still, assuming the OP is serious, I sort of recall Dr. Snubnose doing some knife testing for "wound potential" using raw meat covered with cloth to simulate how they might behave in an actual knife fight. Not sure if he tested either of those two, but might be worth the OP's while to do some digging with the search function (look for threads with Meat in the title started by Dr. Snubnose).
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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby kwselke » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:15 pm

What happens if the denim covered pork has brass knuckles, pepper spray, an Endura, or a gun? I do believe a Ladybug can defeat a denim clad pork butt, but what's the point?

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Postby demoncase » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:40 pm

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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby Evil D » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:00 pm

There's a pic floating around the internet of a guy's back who was apparently attacked in prison by a box knife. The damage is pretty shocking. It seems he lived (he's sitting up in the pic) but the blood loss potential is scary.
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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby bearfacedkiller » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:09 pm

Evil D wrote:
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There's a pic floating around the internet of a guy's back who was apparently attacked in prison by a box knife. The damage is pretty shocking. It seems he lived (he's sitting up in the pic) but the blood loss potential is scary.
For sure, a tiny blade with a full handle can be devastating. Box cutters offer a full sized handle and a very sharp/thin blade.
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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby Wartstein » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:22 pm

bearfacedkiller wrote:
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Evil D wrote:
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For sure, a tiny blade with a full handle can be devastating. Box cutters offer a full sized handle and a very sharp/thin blade.
Makes me think Chap LW once more...(blade not tiny, but at least small, and sure sharp and thin)
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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby Naperville » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:33 pm

bearfacedkiller wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:09 pm
Evil D wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:00 pm
There's a pic floating around the internet of a guy's back who was apparently attacked in prison by a box knife. The damage is pretty shocking. It seems he lived (he's sitting up in the pic) but the blood loss potential is scary.
For sure, a tiny blade with a full handle can be devastating. Box cutters offer a full sized handle and a very sharp/thin blade.
There is "potential" for creating great blood loss, but you have to know where the main aortas/veins are to kill. Most of the structures that would cause death are deeper than 1.5 inches under the outer epidermal layer. That's what makes blades 7 inches long so deadly. They can reach them and it takes just one or two thrusts.

The following gives some good tips on targeting, but the best thing is an anatomy chart.
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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby bearfacedkiller » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:14 pm

Naperville wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:33 pm
bearfacedkiller wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:09 pm
Evil D wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:00 pm
There's a pic floating around the internet of a guy's back who was apparently attacked in prison by a box knife. The damage is pretty shocking. It seems he lived (he's sitting up in the pic) but the blood loss potential is scary.
For sure, a tiny blade with a full handle can be devastating. Box cutters offer a full sized handle and a very sharp/thin blade.
There is "potential" for creating great blood loss, but you have to know where the main aortas/veins are to kill. Most of the structures that would cause death are deeper than 1.5 inches under the outer epidermal layer. That's what makes blades 7 inches long so deadly. They can reach them and it takes just one or two thrusts.

The following gives some good tips on targeting, but the best thing is an anatomy chart.
"Contemporary Knife Targeting." By: Grosz and Janich
This is why I stay away from SD discussions. Are we talking about neutralizing a threat or killing people. There is a big difference between being an assassin and a cut and run self defense scenario. The OP is clearly looking for advise for a small last resort self defense tool, not a seven inch thrusting weapon.
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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby Naperville » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:31 pm

bearfacedkiller wrote:
bearfacedkiller wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:14 pm
Naperville wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:33 pm
The following gives some good tips on targeting, but the best thing is an anatomy chart.
"Contemporary Knife Targeting." By: Grosz and Janich
This is why I stay away from SD discussions. Are we talking about neutralizing a threat or killing people. There is a big difference between being an assassin and a cut and run self defense scenario. The OP is clearly looking for advise for a small last resort self defense tool, not a seven inch thrusting weapon.
Sorry if I was misunderstood. I do not advocate killing anyone.

The Janich book talks abt targeted and minimal response.

If you prefer to use a small blade, YOU must train to hit those targets, and an Anatomy chart is very handy. It is very hard to hit the wrist flexors for example, if you do not know where they may be.
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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby Bloke » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:22 pm

Naperville wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:33 pm
The following gives some good tips on targeting
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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby ZrowsN1s » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:09 pm

Bloke wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:22 pm
Naperville wrote:
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The following gives some good tips on targeting
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Is that a spyderco? :D
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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby ZrowsN1s » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Well I wasn't willing to sacrifice a pork roast or my jeans, but a roll of paper towels was sacrificed in the name of science :D
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Postby bearrowland » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:13 pm

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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby Bloke » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:44 pm

ZrowsN1s wrote:
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Is that a spyderco? :D
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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby TkoK83Spy » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:49 pm

Interested where the OP went?? Missing a few good answers and a lot of hilarious replies!
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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby yablanowitz » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:47 pm

TkoK83Spy wrote:
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Interested where the OP went?? Missing a few good answers and a lot of hilarious replies!
Perhaps he decided we were not the droids he was looking for.

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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby Michael Janich » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:15 am

The real key to cutting deeply with a small knife is having enough handle/grip to stabilize the blade. I believe that going down the micro knife path for a self-defense knife is misleading because cutting performance is only one factor. Even if a Ladybug cuts as well as a Cricket, if you can't draw and open either of them quickly and reliably with only one hand, it's all academic.

FWIW, here's a video from Martial Blade Camp doing pork man with a Kahr Arms Delica--the "baseline' minimum tool for my MBC system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgTV8KKNQ3w

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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby Wartstein » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:34 am

Michael Janich wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:15 am
The real key to cutting deeply with a small knife is having enough handle/grip to stabilize the blade. I believe that going down the micro knife path for a self-defense knife is misleading because cutting performance is only one factor. Even if a Ladybug cuts as well as a Cricket, if you can't draw and open either of them quickly and reliably with only one hand, it's all academic.

FWIW, here's a video from Martial Blade Camp doing pork man with a Kahr Arms Delica--the "baseline' minimum tool for my MBC system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgTV8KKNQ3w

Stay safe,

Mike
So if I may ask: A Chap LW would be to small already handlewise for effective sd? (Just a theoretical question though, since I never thought about sd with a knife in reality tbh...)
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Re: Knife Vs. Pork Covered in Jeans

Postby Michael Janich » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:53 am

Wartstein wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:34 am
So if I may ask: A Chap LW would be too small already handlewise for effective sd? (Just a theoretical question though, since I never thought about sd with a knife in reality tbh...)
If it fits your hand well enough to apply significant leverage and manage impact shock, it would do fine. Deployment of Chaparrals is slower than other folders because of their stiff springs and obviously there are no trainers, so a Delica would still be a better choice.

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